Friday, 21.11.2008 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 1 Members, 21 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Friday, 21.11.2008, 23:44 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : General Displaying all 17 posts: Post Views: 1041 Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Sacramento Number Posts: 287 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 09:57 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 31. August 2008 at 08:14 There has been talks by some people alleging that since independence the GRN has been simply concentrating on developing the north, I don’t know what your position is on the issue but this is my own analysis of the situation: In my opinion, the north is fast developing simply because they are business minded, Investors( both local and foreign) and well managed local governments. The North is populated with about 70% all Namibian, they are hard working Namibians who used to travel long before independence by foot for hundreds of km in search for employment, as a result their wealth has accumulated. These Namibians are working all over and usually returns back home during family gatherings such as Christmas and new year, weddings and funerals and even just for fan, pleasure ( trade fair) in order to spend their hard earned cash with their loved ones and support each others businesses. Unfortunately, Investors are profit driven; they usually go where it is conducive for business activities. The buildings you see in Oshakati, the beautiful streets in Ongwediva etc is not by Government. Northern schools are still the most overcrowded by far, hospitals few and National roads are terrible. What happens is that, The Northerners create good environment for Business due to their accumulated wealth and their venturous ways of making business. Investors in return create jobs and the residents can now pay for their municipal accounts on time and in full, as a result, municipality can invest in roads and service delivery improves. The only tangible GRN driven project I have seen is the railway line, but logically speaking I couldn’t see the need to build it in the South or West because there is one already. I was reading in the paper the other day when someone wrote that the northerners are taking up jobs in the South at the expenses of the locals, this nonsensical thinking must stop, people of the south need to stop drinking tea mid day, look for jobs and distinguish between drinking and working hours and return to work after the pay weekend. I am not trying to engineer a tribal debate here but unfortunately that is the way I see it. I am out. [Post edited by: Sacramento on 31/8/08 8:18 AM] Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Shindenge Number Posts: 59 Last Post: 20.11.2008, 09:34 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 31. August 2008 at 09:31 I think it is a fact. People in the south are very lazy, they don't want to do anything for themselves; they only want to receive handouts from ohoromente. They do have land but they do not till it to get food. imagine you can drive for 70 kilometres in the south but you will never find any outlet next to a road, where you can buy even a cooldrink or bread. They do not make business to generate money to make living possible. They use to laugh at the northeners when they are selling kapana. The northeners are hardworking people. Every five kilometres distance driving on any public road, you should find a cuca shop. People are making money there. Investors only go where the development is taking place. On the other hand, all riches like diamonds, fish, precious stones, etc, are from the south, why doesn't the GRN give the southeners concessions? Why the GRN is helping out San and Himba people and not people in the South? opo nda penduka, ote shuna mo manga moomposi, ote tskile ko nale Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? 0Byte Number Posts: 264 Last Post: 16.11.2008, 17:27 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 31. August 2008 at 11:04 Yeah, it is true...too much laziness in the south, drinking too much, 'n one who wrk will never come back at wrk after payday. Too much demanding from government......Youths dropping off from school @ early ages, unene nga uutana wamukwaya weni mbonoooo... Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Tiara Number Posts: 354 Last Post: 20.11.2008, 10:53 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 31. August 2008 at 13:52 You mentioned about land and this is what I have to add..... I think the degree of development,poverty and hunger mostly depends on where the person is located because the northern part of Namibia has better land and therefore more self-sufficient farmers while the southern part of Namibia has barren land therefore people cannot self suffice. In fact,most of the people in the south are so poor that they can't even buy anything to get them started farming in the first place. In response to the desperate circumstances they simply build around the relatives and hope for the best. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Shindenge Number Posts: 59 Last Post: 20.11.2008, 09:34 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 31. August 2008 at 15:25 May be you are right Tiara. Thus way I am saying the GRN must focus on the southerners, the way it handlles the Himbas and San people's predicament. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Sacramento Number Posts: 287 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 09:57 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 02:51 Well, the issue of GRN helping out is common, GRN give relief food to those people, but they cant depend on that for ever (may be they can) but the issue is, you have to work, show commitment, make use of what you got to your advantage, it is true their land is not as useful as what we got up north, but I am sure there are some part which are just fine but is left idling. Fishing quotas and diamond concession, mhnnnn, well I am not too sure if they are not benefiting from this arrangement already, but just like in the north, only a few can benefit from this exercise( From my family to my whole village we only heard about concession and fishing quotas in the news, but we aren’t starving), the issue here is stop the blame game and do something for yourself, GRN continue to make it conducive for all of us to progress( I left the cattle post and I am not doing bad for my self already), even them Sans and Himbas, only if they are ready to face the new challenges and admit that this is the 21st century, take off the leather pants and stop acting like clowns for tourist, than they can be easily integrated and assisted Those are the challenges we got in our hands, when government wanted to build a new electricity plant in Opuwo( recruit the local Himbas) they are at arms against such moves, apparently they are the only indigenous human kind left, thus endangered spices and need protection from the government, they run to the EU for defense, well, how can you help one help them at all? And the San, well apparently the solution it to return them into Etosha and equipped them with the latest tech. of Rambo part IV version of the Cross bow. Ondageya nayi man, Shindenge nande owashuna meemofi doye kaume, kapena ouyelele apa. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Shindenge Number Posts: 59 Last Post: 20.11.2008, 09:34 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 08:50 Sacramento, tulonhulo menhu wameme, do not be demoralised by my arguments. Your point is sensible and needs to be debated to help our brothers and sisters in the south. In my previous contribution, I looked at the subject matter from two different ankles. One one hand, I concurred with you that my brothers in the South are really doing little to alleviate poverty from their environment, while on the other hand, I blamed the GRN for having also overlooked their plight, despite the fact that large chunk of the state revenues come from their areas. I don't mean that they should always be given drought relief even there is no drought. But the GRN can at least extend its helping hand to assit them to get started with poverty reduction projects. Keep the debate going man.... Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Hate Number Posts: 232 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 08:49 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 11:35 How are the Himbas handled? i dont even know any development that the Himba people have. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Hate Number Posts: 232 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 08:49 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 11:54 can some1 help me understand this post? Sacramento where does tribes fit in this post? How frustrating ur point is of criticising Himbas culture and who told they act like clowns for tourists? i thought they wear their culture. why cant they be intergrated and assisted with their leather pants? Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? NANIC Number Posts: 71 Last Post: 14.11.2008, 12:00 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 12:57 SACRA!!ur post was making sense at the begginnin but when u came 2 the point that the Himbas are acting as clowns for tourists i strongly disagree with u and i will ask peacefully 2 withdraw ur statement !!!i'm sayin so coz i grew up there and i know them from A-Z and those people ,wearin leather pants is their culture and it didn't prevents them from bein intergrated and assisted by whoever ! and after all is the GRN to be blamed bcoz when officials (community developers) who goes there ,they lack communication skills and it's hard 4 them to pass out the message so that it can open up those peeps minds and start a new life coz u can not go there and talk like u are talkin 2 well-broad people coz those guys are still behide and to get them at the point where every1 is ,it need hard-work and much energy!!!!!!! Lastly sometimes we must try 2 know others weakness and start workin on them from there and not just start from UPPER -DOWN but consider downsizing and community participation iiii!!!!!!!!!!!! NANIC Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? NANIC Number Posts: 71 Last Post: 14.11.2008, 12:00 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 13:03 SACRA!!ur post was making sense at the begginnin but when u came 2 the point that the Himbas are acting as clowns for tourists i strongly disagree with u and i will ask peacefully 2 withdraw ur statement !!!i'm sayin so coz i grew up there and i know them from A-Z and those people ,wearin leather pants is their culture and it didn't prevents them from bein intergrated and assisted by whoever ! and after all is the GRN to be blamed bcoz when officials (community developers) who goes there ,they lack communication skills and it's hard 4 them to pass out the message so that it can open up those peeps minds and start a new life coz u can not go there and talk like u are talkin 2 well-broad people coz those guys are still behide and to get them at the point where every1 is ,it need hard-work and much energy!!!!!!! Lastly sometimes we must try 2 know others weakness and start workin on them from there and not just start from UPPER -DOWN but consider downsizing and community participation iiii!!!!!!!!!!!! NANIC Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Hate Number Posts: 232 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 08:49 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 14:11 Yes NANIC i agree with u and i think its time 4 SACRAMENTO to withdraw that statement and apologize. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Tiara Number Posts: 354 Last Post: 20.11.2008, 10:53 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 23:35 Hmmmmm, Sacramento!!!!! now I understand why NANIC and HATE peacefully asked you to withdraw your statement about the Himba people!!!!! and I agree with them. DEFINITELY THE HIMBA DON'T ACT LIKE CLOWNS FOR TOURISTS!!! The reason why more and more tourists are so keen to visit the Himba is because for the most part,the modern world hasn't yet intruded on their traditional way of life. They are just a striking people to look at man. What I like about the Himba people is that they have hold on to their traditions and adapted to outside influences in their own way. You wrote:" And the San, well apparently the solution is to return them into Etosha and equipped them with the latest tech. of Rambo part IV version of the Cross bow." neee mani Sacramento!!!! oh,oshike toyolithandje ngiino mani?? I just finished watching the latest Rambo IV LOL!!!!!!! Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Sacramento Number Posts: 287 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 09:57 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 02:21 Hate, Shindenge and Tiara and all members of this House On popular demand, I Sacramento a honorable MP (member of parliament) in this august house here by withdraw my statement on the leather pants and the clown part of it about the Himba Issue. The rest stands. I agree that the Himbas are just being traditional but the issue is, we the Kwanyamas had leather pants( ombede) but we were eventually forced by globalization and civilization to relinquish it and reserve it for cultural festivals, I am not gonna say the Himba should relinquish theirs but the world is moving fast , the western are quick to come to their defense because that is the picture of Africa they want to see, but they will be the first people to criticize the Government and accuse it of alienating this groups. I there for would like to return back to the Subject matter, does Namibian Government only developing the North, is it a myth or Fact? Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Hate Number Posts: 232 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 08:49 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 11:10 Thanks Sacramento for withdrawing that point because it really touched my heart hence i grew up with Himbas and i know they just like their culture and they feel good in their leather pants. Tourists are the 1 after Himbas culture and i think we all should be pround that Himbas culture play a part in the Namibian tourist industry. I think we should look at realy issues and leave cultures alone. I mean i dont think the way we dress have anything 2 do with development, therefore the GRN can develop the whole country irrespective of culture or tribes. lets continue with the really point. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Santiago-de-Compostela Number Posts: 27 Last Post: 02.11.2008, 14:47 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 13:59 Honourable Sacramento, you are much appreciated for retracting such sarcatic part of your statement. That is very good for our august house and it also shows maturity. Re: Namibian Government only developing the North, a myth or Reality? Sacramento Number Posts: 287 Last Post: 21.11.2008, 09:57 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 03. September 2008 at 02:06 Point taken honourables, now back to the subject, is it a myth or reality? Post Views: 1041 Displaying all 17 posts: © 2008 web.com.na About | Press | Contact & Support | Terms & Conditions| Privacy | Imprint Designed for Namibia