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CASSINGA - Where does the LIES stop, and the TRUTH begin? |
Boerseun
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 00:22 |
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As I have shown in previous posts regarding the bombing of Barclays Bank (FNB) in Oshakati, only a fool can accept history as presented by swapo. They are guilty of planting that bomb, the culprit was caught and sentenced, and still swapo maintain it was the handiwork of the “boers”!!
Cassinga is no different. Swapo claims it was a refugee camp, but the place was fortified with trench systems (capable of providing mutual fire support), anti aircraft weapons etc. Some refugee camp!
Cassinga was under the command of Dimo Amaambo, who was also a resident of Cassinga town. Amaambo was a PLAN ( ie military) commander, not a “commissioner for refugees !!
Also, prior to the attack on Cassinga, the SA Air force conducted some photographic missions. These photos showed, in addition to Cassinga being a major military stronghold, that a schoolbus that was hijacked shortly before in Ovamboland was present at the base. Swapo kidnapped these children, and took them to Cassinga to train them as fighters, or to serve as prostitutes and slaves in their camps. (this busload of children were not the only people kidnapped by swapo. It was a normal part of their operations to kidnap ordinary people, either to interrigate them as “spies”, or train them as freedom fighters, or for “comfort” for the men) Also, a lot of naive Namibians were lured into swapo camps with promises of a better education in Russia, Cuba etc. These people did NOT go to be trained as fighters, but once in the swapo trap, their choice was to fight, or go to the holes of Lubango. Hence, not all “civilians” at the base were there out of their own free will. Their deaths are regrettable, and the blame rests squarely with swapo.
South Africa’s version of events is also a bit “economical” with the truth, although theirs is a deceit by omission rather than straight lies ( i.e. what they say is the truth, but more happened than what they are saying) Their claims of a “unparralleled military success” , for example, is the truth only if you look at the simple mathematics of the battle ( badly outnumbered, they still inflicted 750 casualties – 600 plan and 150 Cubans dead, versus 3 South Africans killed, 1 missing, presumed dead) What they (SA) omit from their version, was that ALMOST NONE of their original objectives for attacking the base were met, and they made some hugely unproffessional errors which delayed the proper assault by about 1 hour, and nearly cost the lives of their men. (Part ot their original aim was to capture Dimo Amaambo,and some other individuals for interrogation. Also, they did NOT want an engagement with the Cubans, which happened. They also had serious time over-runs as opposed to their plans ) Cassinga was won for the South Africans NOT by the Paratroopers on the ground, but due to some skilled flying by the South Africa Air Force, and to a lesser degree, by the “brave” swapo command fleeing the camp, leaving their own people leaderless.
Lets now delve a bit deeper into the events, and take a critical look at the lies and truths of this battle. Maybe, especially looking at swapo’s tradition of spreading lies and rumours, some people may come to relise that they should NOT take everything at face value.
Fistly, none of swapo’s accounts make any mention of the presense of hundreds of trained swapo soldiers, nor of the Anti Aircraft weapons, trenches, foxholes, reinforced AFV bunkers, pill boxes etc. The reason for this is simple: All these things are in line with a properly defended military base, not a refugee camp. Any mention of this would contradict their own claims. This is a BIG part of the swapo lie about cassinga, and the subsequent propaganda they spread.
Also interesting to note, both Dimo Amaambo ( the plan commander in chief) and Greenwell Mutongo were present at the base, but when the attack happened, these two “brave sons of Namibia” chose to run away as fast and far as possible, leaving the Cassinga base without the vital leadership needed to defend themselves. Swapo could not react against the cowardice of these two, since it would mean they would have to admit Cassinga was a military base, rather than a refugee camp. Amaambo went on to head the NDF in post-independence Namibia, and Greenwell Mutongo is honoured by having some public facility named after him!! All that for RUNNING AWAY!!
Many civilians died in this attack as well. Please note, not all deaths were civillian! The civillians that were there, were in the processs of being trained as plan soldiers. ( eccept the few individuals who were kidnapped by swapo) Subsequent swapo propaganda tries to paint the picture that ONLY civillians died in the attack. Also, every year the 4th of May, we hear about how these “helpless woman and children were bayonetted to death” The wounds – wich swapo tries to portray as inflicted by bayonets, is actually the type of wounds one would associate with scrapnel from the aerial bombardment!
Also, from personal accounts by the SA paras, when entering the trenches to try and silence the AA guns being deployed in a ground-fire role, the “brave” plan fighters used civilians as human shields. No doubt, knowing that the SADF was staffed by civilised people, they reasoned the SADF will not kill their civilian human shields. The mistake they (the plan “heroes”) made was to SHOOT at the South African soldiers from behind the human shields. This left the SA soldiers with a “kill or be killed” option. They reasonably chose the latter. The result is a large number of dead plan fighters, as well as a large number of dead civillians, all killed by the SA forces. The deaths of these civilians rests on the concience of swapo as well. Deeper into the trenches, all resistance was by UNIFORMED and ARMED male and female plan combatants.
Swapo’s lies also denies them the opportunity to highlight one of the very vew (if not only) cases of actual BRAVERY under fire by plan soldiers. According to soldier’s accounts, they met fierce resistance at one of the swapo gun emplacements. Repeatedly, the South Africans would kill the gun crew, only to have a new wave of plan soldiers take up position at the gun. In the end 95 plan soldiers died trying to maintain resistance from that gun. By all accounts, TRUE bravery under fire. This, however, goes unmentioned in Namibian history, since it does not “gel” with swapo’s “refugee camp” claims. The result is that 95 heroes remain nameless and un-acknowledged, while the cowards who were supposed to command them, deserted and were given hero staus (and posh jobs, of course!) later.
Another critical error by swapo was to become to “relaxed” at their base 250 km away from Namibia. Their defences also were in line with defending against a normal ground attack, not an exclusive airborne invasion. They became too complacent, and it cost them dearly. I cant help but wonder if this “nothing will happen to us” attitude currently displayed by swapo may one day explode in their face, to haunt them for another 30 years.
The South African Truth and Reconcilliation Comission, set up after ANC took over under Bishop Desmond Tutu, had the following to say about Cassinga in 1998:
“It is clear that from the SADF’s perspective, Kassinga was a military facility rather than essentially a refugee camp or refugee transit facility, as SWAPO has always claimed. The photographic evidence shown to the Commission at the SADF archives suggests a military dimension to the camp.”
At least THEY came a bit closer to the truth!!
They say history is written by the victorious. Since the history on this saga is not yet finalised, one cannot call swapo as “victorious” before they are “brave” enough to admit the truth. Maybe they will, once the “old school” swapo ledership are all dead and buried. Untill then, we will have to endure their lies and false history.
On the 4th May 1978, in a town called Cassinga in Angola, 750 people AND THE TRUTH died. We should take a lesson from that. Let their deaths not be in vain.
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Re: CASSINGA - Where does the LIES stop, and the TRUTH begin? |
itsMe
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 00:30 |
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Wow! Where's all this 'info' from?
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Re: CASSINGA - Where does the LIES stop, and the TRUTH begin? |
Boerseun
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 00:44 |
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Wow! Where's all this 'info' from?
From Books, the Internet, period newspaper and magazine articles, and talking to a South African Parabat who was part of the operation. This guy was not even a full time soldier, merely a citizen force guy called into action for Cassinga, thus he had no reason to lie to me about anything.
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Niggz
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 10:02 |
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Boerseun you are sick in your arse and we don’t need your twisting of Namibian history to suit your liking. All those nonsense were written by your kith and kin to sugar coat their inhuman actions toward black people. You don’t expect people like me who went through the hardship of the past at the hand of white minority to believe your trying hard propagandas.
Namibian masses may put some other parties lead by black people in power in the near future, but they will never make a mistake of voting the afrikaaner party in power simple because they know they will dig their own graves as long as they know people with the mentality like yours exisit.
[Post edited by: Niggz on 14/5/08 10:40 AM]
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Goerge II
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 10:36 |
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Dear comrade Boerseun
I personally don’t know if what Boerseun testify is true, however its seems like you now everything about Cassinga.Can you just answers the following question for me?
1. How old where you have during the Cassinga day
2. Where were you?
3. Your Nationality?
4. Why you did not references the source of information.
“It takes intelligence to figure out that tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom to realize that you can not include it in a fruit cocktail"...
Signed by George II
Senior Hidrologeogist and Political analyser
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chemical-kadaf
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 10:48 |
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you have said a lot!! but i don't actualy see the point, cause all that is left out is all that, is told if you know wat i mean. we, as sons of namibia, know of the holes of Lubango, falsely accused spies and all other bad thing at cassinga. next time try being constructive and not catabolic.
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kaquelle
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 11:46 |
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BOERSEUN U KNOW TOO MUCH, BUT I AM WONDERING IF U ARE REALLY A WHITE SKINNED PERSON ( BLANKE U DO NOT SOUND LIKE ONE!
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shoza
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 12:00 |
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After what i read from Boers whatsoever article i concluded that he is mantally disturbed, better shut your mouth than talk about stupid serious issues.
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Goddy
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 13:07 |
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In formal debates, people say: I agree (for) or disagree (against) the ideas .........................
By the way? what convienced mnr Boersuen to come up with that debate? I'm against this debate coz it is not in the interest of majority Namibians. Mnr Boerseun is a provocative element trying to tarnish the name of SWAPO party and its cadres. Mnr Boerseun should provide to us names of source of information he is referring to, otherwise, i found it premature to accept his contribution on CASSINGA saga.
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SOX
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 14:00 |
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Hei Seun ek sin.
I think history should be written and presented as it had happened, but as information recipients we must also be skeptical with such, so as to generate qualitative and representative data's thereof. since you claimed to have got it from an secondary or primary source, lets make good use of such information for the betterment of the next generation.
I hope this is not a propaganda meant to haunt SWAPO as such, In the same vein in connecting your dots would you mind to get hold of the Information with regard to Boer Administration under which Namibians where taken and trafficked out to European (Including SA) countries for Biological Experimentations and those people who have killed by Boers prior to independence?
You seems to be a very good Detective please do so and present everything together BS.
NB: Check both side of the Coin you a very analytical
Sharp Seun
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Dai
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| Wednesday, 14. May 2008 at 15:29 |
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You are such a wonderful son of this motherland. Where did you get all this infos? I believe by now most of us are aware of this that we didnt know! Keep feeding us with this vital info, i hope they are real and eye-opener to the Namibian people. I believe with all this, you can compile a useful book for the youths.
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Ingahare
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| Friday, 16. May 2008 at 12:52 |
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Boerseun Its good that you are proud to be a Namibian and so am I. But I should think that you are using a wrong platform for your discussions which are in fact news to some of us. Am saying its news, because in order for news to be news it has to carry information that is not known to the audience. I can only compare your level of understanding to "Spy". Every post written by Spy or Boerseun is:1) well written 2)makes interesting reading 3)has facts 4)etc. The only difference is that Boerseun sometimes gets offensive, but its good that now he has stopped that. He is really worth listening to for as long as he remains scientific. Am saying scientific because as we both know that science is the study of facts that can be pr oven
Boerseun keep feeding us with the information, but remember in science we never say " I, you, we, etc" we would rather say its is proven that. Because that generalizes every thing, or one would say according this and that................ But really we need the info keep feeding us.
By the way Boerseun what do you think about the Caprivian detainees who have now been in prison from 1999 to today? But dont get me wrong, I personally do not support their cause. There are things I dont understand in this case.
1) Muyongo was the vice president of swapo why then did he leave or why was he suspended?
2) Why did government amend the law regarding the governing the that region only after
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BULE
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| Friday, 16. May 2008 at 13:26 |
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well boerson boer son" or what ever your name is. stop confusing personal life and politics. let the trueth be trueth i bealive there is something hurting you about the new swapo led government, you have a bleeding wound. whatever explanation you get about cassinga wont make you change your mind neither attitude towards the swapo led government.
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BULE
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| Friday, 16. May 2008 at 13:36 |
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hi ingahare, how are you doing. i think we have a lot in common, can we chart?
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Boerseun
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| Friday, 16. May 2008 at 18:56 |
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Ingahare,
It is interesting you should mention the Caprivian Detainees. I actually just started gathering some info on this for a future post. So far I come up against a blank wall, since very little exept newspaper articles (about court appearances) and a few bits of obvious CLA propaganda can be found on the net. What I can say about this issue is only my own opinions and deductions:
a) These people have been in jail since August 1999 - almost 9 years now. This in a country where murderers are sometimes out of jail after serving less time. ( very few of the CLA rebels actually can be accused of murder or even attempted murder) In the end, the most the state will be able to do to some of these guys is a weapons posession charge - a crime normally NOT associated with a 10 year jail term. THIS IS FALSE IMPRISONMENT.
b) After almost a decade, NOT ONE PERSON HAS BEEN CONVICTED. The trial is nowhere NEAR a point where a competent judge can make a fair ruling, thus it is likely it will drag on AT LEAST 6 or 8 more years. By then these guys would have been locked up for 15 years or more!! What about is some of them are found NOT GUILTY? Will they be able to sue for 15 years lost freedom, for 15 years away from their families? Some of them no doubt were not only breadwinners for their families, but were also caring for parents, children of brothers/sisters etc. ALL these extended familiy members now has to suffer due to the pathetic speed at which this trial progresses.
c) I get the feeling the powers that be made a DELIBERATE descision to drag the case out, which will result in far longer sentences for the CLA rebels than what would have been the case after a speedy conviction. It seems like "mess with swapo and we mess with you" Opposition supporters, BEWARE - this is the "nature of the beast"
d) What I dont understand, when swapo felt opressed and was not satisfied with what was then the legitemate govt of this country, they went into the bush to fight a "war of liberation" These guys are now considered HEROES by the swapo govt. When the CLA felt opressed and was not happy with the legitemate govt. in Namibia, they (tried to) fight a war of "liberation" (or an end of swapo opression) Why are THEY not considered HEROES by swapo if measured by the same stick? Is it a case of "when I do it, it is O.K., when you do it, it is a crime"
My "silent support" is with the CLA detainees. It is good to see, after enduring YEARS of false imprisonment, their morale is still high. That must irritate the bigshots to no end!!
If they suceeded in gaining their independence from Namibia, I doubt they would enjoy a betterment in their lives. But IF an area like the Caprivi is well run and administered, they COULD create an island of progress for themselves. I have symilar hopes and dreams for a "homeland" or even a "tribal area" for the Afrikaner people. Maybe that is why I sympathise with the Caprivi Seperatists.
I will finish my research (if I can get any info!!) and try to write a more comprehensive post if possible. Maybe combine it / compare with the "baster revolt" just after Independence, and look at the ways various parcels of land became part of DSWA - later SWA and Namibia, and do these peoples have a right to self determination.
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tell it like that
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| Saturday, 17. May 2008 at 10:04 |
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Boerseun..
The caprivi issue is a very complicated issues from day one.
Mishake muyongo mistake was a mistake from day one. and he is still a misatke untill he dies.
DO research on the following too.
1. how did Canu find themselves in Exile.
2. how did muyongo take Canu into swapo.
3. how many Caprivian got bitter when he merge Canu into swapo why did others abandoned the course.
and opted to remain in zambia or work for the zambian goverment
4. the problem in swapo find out how he got kicked.
5. i want you to research this very seriuosly because a lot of boeres knows this especially SWATIF
A.when Muyongo came back from Exile the boers wanted to hand him independence on a silver plate
like what they did in Lesotho, swaziland, find out and you will know that this guy never wanted Caprivi
independence why?
B. find out who forced him to draft the namibian constutution and acknowlegded that caprivi is namibia.
from 1990 to 1998 what realy happen.
The problem which brought muyongo to the old subject was the Pretoria meeting.
If that meeting could not happen i tell you muyongo could still be part and parcel of that parliament or tried to form a party because Kaura was also eager to rule.
South African meeting many knows what traspired in that meeting but find out i don,t want to tell you everything first find out yourself . or ready New WEra because one chap told people what realy happen.
what realy made muyongo go to botswana is the killing of victor falali so a mistake started.
with some people wanting to form a political party inside Muyongo Heard so he suddenly sends his rebels with two fire arms with many stick to come and kill and distabilise everything so his inttetion is run and go join him no political party no one can from a political party in caprivi except him mrs caprivi muyongo caprivi have become his own personal property so what confuse many to believe independence is coming.
1999 august attack arrest was motivated by those tribalist architecs who wanted post find out how many mafwe who occupied post survived the arrest .
The dream of indepence find out if muyongo is busy or he is finish just like the way it was reported on last month New era .
The people in Prison find out how dived are they especialy the inoccent ones but how.
the one who believve caprivi will be independed are the one who toy toy when paraded.
Muyongo is a mess and him and the swapo goverment don,t know how to solve this mess.
find out if ther is anything seriuosly done to solve this case none the only person trying to make people understand is the chap in Canada i have respect for him thats the only person fighting for my dad to come out. boerseun i am talking while crying my dad is in that jail my friend.
short and not stereo type
Love and peace
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Ingahare
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| Sunday, 18. May 2008 at 18:03 |
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Bule, you can get me at ven@web.com.na.
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zombieking
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| Sunday, 18. May 2008 at 21:42 |
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Just another whitey's opinion.
I for one am not sure that Swapo and our current Government are telling the truth, and also cannot say that the stories that were published by the apartheid government were true.
But one thing is for sure, Swapo did cause a lot of harm to the Namibian people in the old days, black and white.
Some of the stories that are going round about what Swapo did to people, black and white, must be true.
And Swapo and our current Government for one should stop blaming the whites for everything that is going wrong or went wrong. Swapo and our current Government have in 18 year proven to us that they cannot run this country effectively without corruption, abuse etc etc. But they continue to play the race card every time they f**k up.
I think most of us whites, and probably blacks just want to live in peace, get on with our lives without having the constant Swapo propaganda of blaming the whites for Swapo's very own incompetence rubbed in.
I for one do not care by whom this country is ruled, and who blames whom for past misdeeds, as long as this country is ruled efficiently and I can get on with my life, trying to earn a living, which is difficult enough.
However, it does seem to me that under our current Goverment we are going the Zimbabwean way more and more.
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Boerseun
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| Sunday, 18. May 2008 at 21:53 |
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And then there was 2 of us!!
Zombiking, I agree with you fully. I have this "thing" where I want to watch the TV news for just 1 week without hearing anything about "the colonial regime etc" In the 5 years I've been playing this "game" it never happened. The past is not the present nor the future.
Oh, and welcome. You'll find the debate heated.
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SPY
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| Monday, 19. May 2008 at 00:35 |
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Ingahare
Thank you for your comments in passing, I have dropped my pen for now...
"Tell it like That"
Its the second time round, I hear of your "Dad" in prison because of the "alleged" secessionist uprising...What do you intend doing about the situation...
Seeing from your number of posts, I see a man that can equally play a meaningful role in bringing the subject to rest...
"Hoping, and doing something about it".
I would like to hear from you...Should you use Spy@Web.com.na - We can talk - for the good of the loved ones, and beautiful country...
Someone...Somewhere... Somehow - one will hear "Our"plight.
For now, keep well and be positive!
Thank you.
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tell it like that
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| Monday, 19. May 2008 at 10:50 |
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Brother, Spy
thank you we will talk more.
for now i have to go somewhre as soon as i come back definetly i will give you a line.
god bless you
love and Peace
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swapo
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Zking, it is right to doubt and when especially when you hear claims of this and that but I tell though don't believe everything you are told.
for starters I believe swapo was in a struggle like any other struggle on this earth. many have lost lives at the hands of the apartheid boeres while many were killed as they were betraying which again is a common practise when one is at war, those who were killed were not showing patritism in the fight for this country.
and then we have those who were killed unlawfully by certain ambitious members in Swapo and as far as i know even swapo's Sam Nujoma was in danger due to these people. These are the same individual who murdered the likes of Peter Nanjemba etc and now the are calling on the same people's remains to be buried at heroes acres. Such hypocracy and we have all fallen victims to their claims as they have now come up saintly apparently, the likes of HH and the Idiot Njamu.
How How, not all of us are ignorant when it comes to our History, we all know that HH never wanted anyone to get close to Nujoma as it didn;t fit in with his aspirations of becoming president, which he aspired from day one. a lot of murders were carried out from orders made by HH and in the end fingers were pointed at swapo or either Unita.
I know many were not killed by Unita as claimed many children lost their fathers through the hands of such unscrupulous people and this exactly what they want to do by poisoning people's with claims that SWAPO HAS LOST VISIOn.
Well we have not lost any vision and we are watching you. As far as I know you do not denounce a party because it has lost its vision as politics is bigger than that, you simply work hard to right things and regain your vision. does hH expect us to Join RDP and when RDP looses vision we suppose to JUmp Ship? Or they are so pure that they don't loose vision. HELLO THIS IS AFRICA.
And to you BoereSEun You should join RDP they might just help to gain vision cos its seems you were born with NON!
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tell it like that
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| Thursday, 22. May 2008 at 19:33 |
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Brother Spy
i am back lets talk.
currently we are planing to set up a comitte which will happen to see pohamba to adress the issue of those who where not part and parcel of the attack they have to revisit the case to see what went wrong. we are not distaning ourself from others but if muyongo don,t know how to talk peace fully
we are going to go ahead and negotiate caprivi do not belong to him alone people are dieing and suffering him is having it good in Den mark enough is enough.
for now we will soon need people like you to join us in this cause.
where are you windhoek or katima give me your mobile.
Love and Peace
[Post edited by: tell it like that on 22/5/08 7:35 PM]
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Re: CASSINGA - Where does the LIES stop, and the TRUTH begin? |
Mysterio
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Last Post: 15.06.2008, 22:59
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| Thursday, 22. May 2008 at 21:16 |
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Zombieking, your post is totally aside on itself.
You are claiming that the current government is corrupted simply coz what you have hidden behind it is the hatre for SWAPO party. Your saying that it will be going the Zimbabwe way, you are lying to yourself. The SWAPO party has ruled this country for 18 years and there has never been many bad issues like the ones that RDP is raising in this country. They are claiming to be the party with vision of which will only be believed by the blind people. How on Earth can a party with the Mixtures of Hidipo, Nyamu, Nambinga and other corrupted people be having vision? Are you aware that those people has been expelled from SWAPO because of their ruthless works? Do you know that Hidipo had distributed secret loans while he was a trade Minister so that people can follow him by the time he will start his party? How many times has SWAPO bought votes from people? Lets not blindfold ourself.
About the liberation struggle issue, Yes, SWAPO has killed people blacks and whites. For that one even a person from WARD 16 will explain it to you why the killing happened that way. Or let me give you a hint so you can build on it ---During the liberation struggle WHITES were fighting the BLACKS "Namibians", but because of the greediness for money and employment, many BLACKS sacrificed themselves to the WHITES so they can fight their fellow brothers and sisters. The war was bitter as you always hear here and there. Nujoma and other people including Hidipo were targets for many spies that has been sent by the WHITES. The dungeons has served as the holding and torturing point for those that were believed to be spies, of which many people has been tortured through the instruction of Hidipo so that he can get his woe and importance so he can be Nujoma's succesor.
Lets not look at things from one sides only, remember that the Whites were fighting the Blacks and no white has sacrificed themselves to fight other whites, while the SWAPO by that time has been under double burdens The Whites and Other Blacks. Do you think if you are said to be having ties to the WHITES and went abroad as a spy people should just accept you? What about the danger that you posses yourself?
Dont then think that many people were not spies and I am not saying that they were all spies, but refusing ties is something very easy and the very good example is just for Hidipo refusing having ties to the RDP party of which he is its president. How do you understand that?
Lets all choose the party or leader that we knows will address the nation transparently and not refusing this and that. Corruption had been kicked and is still being kicked away from SWAPO, and the last resolt for the culprits is the newly party with the cheating, corrupted and conning Vision RDP.
Not blindfolded
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Re: CASSINGA - Where does the LIES stop, and the TRUTH begin? |
Mysterio
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Last Post: 15.06.2008, 22:59
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| Thursday, 22. May 2008 at 21:35 |
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Boerseun, being re-digging the graves will never give you a complete alive human being but rather just taking out the torses or probably the bones.
By raising the Cassinga topic, it is very vaque. As you are saying it was during the liberation struggle, how do you expect people to act like if you really know that it was war between the Boers like you and the Blacks like me whereby they were like contesting for the majorities coz some blacks were also being trained or used by the whites so that they can fight their brothers and sisters or they will send them to the SWAPO military bases as spies.
Regardless of whether Cassinga was a place for the Refugees or A Camp for the SWAPO fighters and trainees, all what matters is just that people fled the country because of the War that doesnt discriminate. The fact also remains that, those believed to be SWAPO fighters, trainees, refugees or civilians are killed by the SADF and no one is happy with it. Namibia is always commemorating the loss of the Namibian citizen that has lost their life in the place called Cassinga.
Boerseun, you are too much in paining the Blacks coz your topics are just about the issues about our brothers and sisters that will never be back. How many Whites or Boers like you have died in Cassinga? What truth do you want about Cassinga and why are you re-digging the colonial times events while we are 18 years independent now?
Dont stir confusion in SWAPo for the benefit of other political parties
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