 What next for Zimbabwe |
DIRECTOR
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| Wednesday, 18. June 2008 at 11:29 |
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Our SADC and AU had and still silence on zimbabwe.
Mugabe had turn that country as his tomatoes garden, violence of human right, beating people without a valid grounds. We have AU, ths body was and have to lead african leaders on politicals, economics and other issues affecting us,now i have no idea weathe the AU still alive or just ignoring what going in zimbabwe, or is there no crisises as outside world says?
SA was chosen to be (mentiator), why mbeki so queit about it,do we realy want US or Britian come to solve our problems which we can handle ourself? I know mugabe fought for his country and not trust morgan to lead the country,why can not just appoint a person who he trust? What now,even his wife stated clear that they are not going to give up.
He says he will fight as long as he alive,NO to opposition party to rule. Will our leaders remain just queit,are they waiting for war to act or what now? Lets be realitic,
*People are hungry
*interest rate had reach worse stage
*Food aid stopped by mugabe
*people fleed their country
*human right violation
*poor foods production
What now africans the 27 jun is around the corner, are we waiting for a change.
Lets be ready for civil war in zimbabwe.
Lets debate..
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 Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Legal Trophy
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| Wednesday, 18. June 2008 at 12:02 |
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i do not know if you predicts it ryt Sir.....lets not rush as to the term civil war in Zimbambwe. your point is clear and am also agreeing on the issue of people going hungry and so forth. however, my point could be of the dabate too. thus can we allow imperialism to take over africa again? its a question that remains open and am sure if you have followed the crisis of Zimbabwe, you will picture it from that point of view. again, people are hungry, economy has colapsed so mass human rights violations are seen here and there. i would rather left with no option than to say the people of Zimbabwe must decides as to which way to follows.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
mind yo stuffs
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| Wednesday, 18. June 2008 at 12:09 |
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i think Mugambe have good ambitions though people don't seem to realise it, the suffering in Zambabwe should be blamed on the British and the Americans, The BRITISH ARE CURRENTLY SEEKING FOR MORE SANCTIONS TO DEFEAT MUGAMBE TOTALLY, what's wrong with them and where is SADC at?
SADC can protest any sanction against Zimbambwe but they just don't wanna go against their former coloniser
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Legal Trophy
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| Wednesday, 18. June 2008 at 12:17 |
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i support you braa. we shall at any cost be realistic. the problem in Zimbabwe shall be blamed on the western powers. why do the people have to oppose Mugabe who has lead them ever since independence? he has nothing to be blamed of. the western powers and their sunctions are to be blamed of that. mugabe has done a great job when comes to the LAND reform policy which seems to be the tragedy of evrything and am sure all the zimbabweans has supported it. if there were no european sunctions agaisnt the people, then things could have been just normal. we know and understand very well as to what is the cause of evrything, but we must understand that evrything shall be blamed on the Americans and British...
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
DIRECTOR
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| Wednesday, 18. June 2008 at 13:26 |
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you are all right, and lets people of zimbabwe choose their leader for next term.it be they are not feeling heat.
As a AU and SADC member, we feel shame as outside world talk.let not america and britain come as a helping hand and later take our resoucers, as they are doing in IRAQ,AFGHNISTAN,DAFUR and other countries.
Lets help our brother and sister.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
mind yo stuffs
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| Wednesday, 18. June 2008 at 15:32 |
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People in Zimbambwe are starvin, and think that America and Britain will help them to find a way to eat, but those westerns hyenas just wanna exploit and give 15% to the citizens, there's a company in England ready to start operating in Zimbabwe once Mugambe step down and they announced it so earlier that's why Mugambe refuse to pass the power to the other man even if he lose the next run off, Sadc shouldn't fear America and Britain, off course they can't put sanctions on the whole SADC and they know it even when they're unsobber
those ponk english ass just grinding our faces
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Tiara
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| Saturday, 21. June 2008 at 12:49 |
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What's happening in Zimbabwe,is what you call pure madness!!!!!
And I am surprised that some people think that the US and Britain are to be blamed for the crises in Zimbabwe! oh,people let us be realistic!!!Britain and the US has nothing to do with what's happening in Zimbabwe at all.Let us just admit that Mugabe is an African dictactor busy squeezing the last blood from his people and he should be stopped immediately,God knows how!!(a free,fair and legitimate election will do though)
With "THE MIND YOUR BUSINESS"attitude adapted by most of the African leaders,it does not surprise me at all that the SADC leaders are still keeping their heads in the sand.Well,at least Mbeki and Mogae stepped up,but I don't think that will change anything because it's like two "mosquitoes" telling an "elephant" to behave!!!!!!
Peace
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Boerseun
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| Monday, 23. June 2008 at 14:18 |
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Tiara,
You hit the nail on the head. Only death or being seriously ill will stop him ( like it did with Castro).
Somebody PLEASE give that madman some poison to drink!!
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
EPANGELO
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| Tuesday, 24. June 2008 at 16:31 |
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The ppl of Zimbabwe know and understand their democratic values and human dignity to put the right government in place but its that president dictator Mugabe who does not trust and recognize the voice of the ppl. How on earth a responsible leader announce that he will not let the country to fall in the hands of imperialists through election, meaning even the MDC win he will not surrender the government to them before its the majority of that nation that decide we don't want your government anymore. Dictator president Robert Mugabe must go.
Mugabe is busy pumping billions of dollars in the army and the policy for his own interest and negrect the productive workforce of the nation. What signicant contribution do those ppl have to the peaceful nation like Zimbabweans with comparisons to teachers, medical doctors and engineers of that nation to be low paid? Mugabe corrupted the country's economy by grabbing productive farms and distributes to those that are loyals to him but of course lack techincal-know -how in the agricultural industry. Early this month dictator president Mugabe threatened to grab farms again to those that are not productive with them, did n't he made a research b4?
This is a clear confusion and lack of vision to run the country.
The western nations should not be blamed for Zimbabwe 's economic failures but Mugabe himself.
The fact is that because of his ego and continuation violation of human right in Zimbabwe he is afraid to step down cz he will find himself sitting in the Hague, Netherland. He is in the footstep of Charles Tailor, Mullar Mohamed Omar, Saddam Hussein, Jean Pierra Bemba and many other heroes of his calibre. The time will come for him.
He is looking for war in Zimbabwe and many thousands of lives were lost already during the liberation struggle, the ppl of Zimbabwe already liberated their country and now is time to fight for economic independence of their nation, Mugabe must go and face his music.
Till next time !!
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
mind yo stuffs
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| Thursday, 26. June 2008 at 19:08 |
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I don't support any of yo sleazy thoughts, why should USA and Britain open their big Mouths to bark about Zimbabwe? why don't they mind their stupid bussines in their own country and let every man set orders in his own motherland? Mugambe is a former victim of injustice and war so he know what he's doing,
why do Africans revenge by forgiving? time to be realistic and take control back of ourselvez, we aint slave no more nd have the right to decide every little shit on our own, that's a ****ked Bush and that so called british stupid rulers, everybody don't seem to realise how they are grinding our faces, givin scholarships and donations
while eyes on the natural resouces,
fucck the world
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Goddy
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| Thursday, 26. June 2008 at 21:36 |
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Want or not............., Britain and associates are deterioriting the situation in Zimbabwe. They started with sanctions. How do u think on earth one can live better under economical sanction? "mind yo business" is correct and only those with different agendas here can say "no" to his points. Off course now, the time is not for whom to be blamed but to find solution to the problem. I hope that, our SADC leaders will try by all means to find amicable solution to that Zimbabwe political crisis. Only SADC should be allowed to play big role not Europeans or America. Europeans and America should go to hell or just solve problems in their own countries and continents.
Enough is enough. Unless they will declare new form of colonization through African continent.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Dr. RK
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| Thursday, 26. June 2008 at 22:53 |
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Boerseun get serious, we can't respond to hate with hate!!!! I support Mind your business and Goddy. That's what I actually meant with that post titled "USA abusing its status of global hegenom".
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
mind yo stuffs
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| Saturday, 28. June 2008 at 11:53 |
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suppose you have a house but i set rules for you and yo wife, that's exactly what America and Britain try to do
to Africa and the middle east, why should a certain nation posses nuclear amunition to threaten other nations, alot died under bush governance, Bush himself is worthless just a grown up stupid liar, he accused Irag of alot of
plain and baseless lies, soon he'll try to find ways to deal with Mugambe, but if he's normal, he should respect the elders.
Zimbambwe should be ruled by Zimbabweans
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Goddy
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| Saturday, 28. June 2008 at 17:23 |
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I fully support your stand "Mind your business"! I always laugh when some people are talking esp. this guy with red eyes of Kenya: the so called prime minister now (Odinga). He is now an outspoken of Kenya busy calling Hon. Mugabe - Dictator. He forgot already when more than 1000 Kenyan citzens killed due to his power ambition.
AU will call for talks but not sanction as westerns(Britain) and Americans want. We (Africans) are no longer cowards that any time they(EU and America) want us to fight and kill each others, they can do so. I'm saying this coz above mentioned agents always arming rebels in Africa. And they are too selfish, always calling God only to bless them. God bless the world!
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
EPANGELO
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| Monday, 30. June 2008 at 14:56 |
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No Goddy u got it wrong man, remember that there is a negative tendency being build up on the African continent, of resisting the defeat if you are defeated just accept it and pls leave. The so called incumpent Kenyan president Mwai Kibaki was clearly beaten up by Raila Odinga in a fair and democratic election but because of his ego for power he refuse to go and in the name of blood he is on power, many lives were lost because of him. Odinga is not the one to be blamed for that but Kibaki himself.
Now the same culture spread to Zimbabwe, that illegitimate president of Zimbabwe and the pure dictator of the twenty first century Mr Mugabe was smoothly beaten up by Morgan T. Mugabe wanted exactly to follow Kenya style of killing innocent Zimbabweans for his own interest but luckly Mr. Tsivangerai is more wise that he pull out of the election to save life. Mugabe forced lawyers to be sworn in as Zimbabwean president even before the illegal election result were announced. Is that what u call true democracy? Mugabe messed up the country and he must go pls where he belong.
The bible has it "the first king of Israel Saul ya Kis (AD) was a man chosen by God to liberate the nation of Israel at that time but he later disobey God 's commandment and was forsaken as a result. Mugabe is Saul person of our generation and you ppl should stop blaming western for chaos there, that's Robert 's failed plan, nothing more nothing less. Being an icon of the liberation struggle does not mean to drive the nation on a donkey cart, modern ppl are using modern transports.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Goddy
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| Monday, 30. June 2008 at 17:21 |
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Epangelo! you are right. The problem is, Mr Odinga want AU to sent troops to Zimbabwe in order to overflow Hon. Mugabe. He is dreaming, that will not happen in SADC. We can't ignore the people of Zimbabwe coz of one person. Westerns and America ignored the people of Zimbabwe by intiating tough sanction against Hon. Mugabe's regime.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Sunroof
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| Monday, 30. June 2008 at 18:09 |
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Hey u idiots speaking about sunctions, sunctions, zimbabwe has got enough land to produce food. I dont understand why blame sombody for faliar. Mugabe is a Dictator finish n Klaar! everybody knows n see's that if u don't c it than u a re most stupid asshole in the world. He's just concerned about his own ideresests!
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
EPANGELO
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| Monday, 30. June 2008 at 19:23 |
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why don't u jst express ur view without tht much insult?
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Goddy
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| Monday, 30. June 2008 at 21:00 |
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If Mugabe is a Dictator, then someone somewhere made him to be a dictator. By the way, there are so many dictators in Africa, why their countries are not under world microscope like Zimbabwe. Be reminded "Sunroof" that, we are not the only one talking about sanctions. UN security council, UN in general, AU and some independent dignitaries including Desmund Tutu are talking about sanction.
I think Sunroof came in different mood. Such an insult discredited only Sunroof himself.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Boerseun
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| Tuesday, 01. July 2008 at 00:26 |
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What can be said about Mugabe / Zimbabwe that has not been said already?
Epangelo expressed most peoples opinion:"Mugabe messed up the country and he must go pls where he belong."
Only the Poorly Informed, Misguided, and Intellectually Incapable people of society can still try to defend Mugabe and/or his actions, or blame the Westen Nations.
I do believe that both the US and Brittain failed the people of Zimbabwe in the most serious way. If they were concerned with a lasting solution to the Mugabe Menace, they should not have been pushing "moffie" policies like sanctions. They should have send 100 000 troops with all the required logistics to FORCE that madman and his equally insane "war veterans" to accept the inevitable BEFORE the entire economy colapsed. Sanctions will have a limited effect, since Zimbabwe is so bancrupt the import or export virtually nothing.
It is now too late to salvage much there. Zimbabwe went from progress and wealth to economic, political, and social collapse, all thanks to the SINGLE GREATEST FACTOR INHIBITING GROWTH IN AFRICA: THE POLITICS OF LIBERATION MOVEMENTS. They now join the long list of "post colonial failures" in Africa. We might as well accept that.
What now remains for us is to prevent AT ALL COSTS the same from happening in Namibia. The scale of collapse as witnessed in Zim starts with something small like Land reform, or War veteran compensation, or Affirmative action, and can snowball out of controll to result in total collapse and anarchy. Our "intellectually deficient" swapo leaders in Namibia are courting the same things ZANU-PF did in Zimbabwe. The result will be the same IF WE DONT STOP SWAPO, or at least get more moderate, intellectual factions of swapo to call the shots ( if there is such a thing as an "intellectual" swapo)
The sad irony is people like Mugabe will be long gone and burning in hell while their legacies will continue to haunt the people in the country they stuffed up. Sad.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
mind yo stuffs
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| Tuesday, 01. July 2008 at 01:44 |
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Mugambe changed to a dictator to deal with the world's worst dictaors (Bush and British prime minister)
who try to treat him as a small boy, only zimbawe, only the people of Zimbabwe will decide how Zimbabwe should be ruled, under no white control since Zimbabwe is a black nation, even in Namibia there's a run off if the candidate win with 50%---- but why people don't wannt to accept the constituition of Zimbabwe?
i think America is the world, without America you can't survive, even if they don't feed you
Bush's a dictator, Mugambe is made a dictator, and let's blame those who made him change to a dictator
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
mind yo stuffs
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| Tuesday, 01. July 2008 at 01:50 |
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Sunroof chill a bit and don't snub the innocents, people have diffrent views about diffirent shits, you just can't start yo contribution by sayin all the words you here in Rap music, that's not how we run the business Cuz, though i insult people on this site, you just don't have the reason to insult no body out of nothing, wait to have enough points and not insults than you post em, and don't go aginst me, ima soldier
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Sunroof
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| Tuesday, 01. July 2008 at 09:58 |
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people I m realy tired of hearing the Zimbabwe story wit no realy action, no solution to it, all we do is talk n talk but no action!!
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Superman
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| Tuesday, 01. July 2008 at 11:22 |
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People lets not be single minded and believe in the shallow information that the media are feeding us, one have to be critical to understand the current political crisis which is prevailing in the Republic of Zimbabwe. The current situation in Zim is a man made crisis and it all happens due to the diverging collective efforts of both Britain and the Zimbabwe government.
Why do you think every single things that is happening in Zimbabwe is been featured in British Media and not commonly in Russian or Brazilian media for example? It is because Britain is having land interest in Zimbabwe and not necessarily (or not at all) feeling for the ordinary people of Zimbabwe.
Mugabe on the other hand, as from the onset was having the interest of his Nation as a priority. As the Mugabe government assumed office somewhere in 1980, they started implementing their developmental policies and they succeeded in a number of them, but Land redistribution was always one of the major policies to be implemented. Britain promises to make funds available to purchase farmers (land that was confiscated from black people during colonial era) for the redistributions purpose, but government after government failed to honour their promises for almost two decades and then the Zimbabwean people start to run out of patient and request the government to give them the land, as a result, the Zimbabwean government start pushing Britain to release the promised funds. The Zimbabwean White community viewed the government talks around land as a threat to their properties and started to engage in politic by funding opposition parties. The Mugabe government knows very well that any victory in favour of the puppet party will mean White keeping the lands, so it implemented a "fast track land grabs" of the “stolen land”.
Britain stepped in, engaging the Americas and mobilizes nations around the world to go against Zimbabwe so that it cannot succeed, because they fear that African counties with similar problems (Slow pace of land redistribution) may use Zim as their testing sample. The West media then started to tarnish Mugabe good name, and often drawing cartoons that depict him as a baboon. Operating in isolation and denied access to fully participates in the world economic forums, Zimbabwe started to free fall in all areas of well beings and the victims are mostly the poor segment of the society.
If Britain was really cooperative from the begin, Mugabe could have gone long time in retirement as he could see the land that he fought for is back to the rightful owners, but he feels it is a mission unaccomplished and he decide to stay put. Now that he knows the powerful Nations already succeed in turning the world against him, he has no option but to cling to power to avoid been hanged. But with the current perception about him, this will not help Zimbabwe in any way so somehow he must just go. God knows his intention was not to turn against his people but he did it as grass trapped by two fighting elephants.
On the final analysis, the situation in Zimbabwe emerges as Robert Mugabe is fighting for ordinary Zimbabwean Land interest and Britain is fighting for the white settler land interest. Why do you think most African leaders including Madiba are not harshly blaming that Dictator? It is because they have got both sides of the story. But Mugabe must go now and Britain must shut up so that a solution can be found on a levelled ground.
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| Re: What next for Zimbabwe |
Goddy
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| Tuesday, 01. July 2008 at 12:14 |
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What you just said "Superman" is what all of us CRITICAL ANALYSTS knew. Some of our comrades only come here to preach what they saw on their screen Tvs hopefully. They forgot that, those informations filtered to meet the interest of West and USA. Just go watch BBC right now; they are just repeating the same words for Odinga (their new puppet in African politics).
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