Saturday, 11.10.2008 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 1 Members, 15 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Saturday, 11.10.2008, 03:20 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : Political Discussions Displaying all 18 posts: Post Views: 790 Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Sacramento Number Posts: 251 Last Post: 10.10.2008, 05:21 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 08:53 NAMIBIA will receive US$304,5 million (about N$2,3 billion) from the US development agency Millennium Challenge Corporation this month. This was reported in the Namibian of Monday, July 14, 2008 The purpose of this post is not to question the rational behind this benefit; it is rather to challenge those individuals who have been so vocal recently on issues such as Botswana and Zimbabwe. I want to know what does this make Namibia, another puppet? Please people, lets be honest to ourselves, the West is not all that bad, and most of the countries especially in Africa cant do without this so called "west aid", and countries like Botswana who do not call others imperialists will continue to receive the biggest chunk. What is funny is that those who are on air every day calling others names are usually the first ones to put their hands on these benefits, either diverting these funds to projects well selected to benefiting their families, or simply pocketing it to themselves. I think now you understand the meaning of the word ‘Hypocrisy’. MOshiwambo ohakutiwa uyele ekish noinima yalo. What is your take on that? Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Kachokwe Number Posts: 133 Last Post: 25.09.2008, 16:38 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 09:45 Sacramento, I cannot see sense in your augment by saying Namibia to became a puppet as results of the money that US is willingly to donate as development funds to Namibia and some other African countries. I don't think Namibian requested the US those money, but its themselves (The westerns) have their own free-will projects of so called financial aids to developing countries, particularly in Africa. But this to me is just a sort of some paying back of African wealth that they have explored during their colonial occupation of the African continent, which may not even enough to compensate the lives of innocent Africans who were killed by them and some taken as slave at their tender ages. However, if you can think and analyse critically, those aids are not benefiting only the African people, but also the western themselves, because after that they send the so called volunteers (most of them who cannot be employed in their countries) to Africa to work on different projects and they are receiving allowances from the African governments. And this means not only Africa who cannot do without the west but also the west cannot cope without Africa and the blind-minded person cannot notice this. Its high time to those who cannot see that most of the aids from western are string-attached if not the compensation of their past deeds. Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) mandume Number Posts: 224 Last Post: 13.08.2008, 09:22 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 11:48 Kachokwe, just a point of information “West” does not offer money to us “Africans” we go to them and beg for it. America, for example can NOT offer money to Namibia if they do not request for it, that’s why they request for National Development Plans and these plans have to go inline with their Millennium Developmental Goal. If Namibian does not meet these requirements will not get a Penny, can you remember sometimes when our president “Pohamba” traveled to the USA to meet President Bush? Namibian was rated among well-off Nations, and was not eligible for Development aids from the USA. But this was reversed and thanks to president “Pohamba” for realizing that we needed assistance, Kachokwe we need these funds from the west even if some of us “Africans” hate them. But the most astonishing thing is those who claim to be so “Africans” and claim rejecting the west are the ones truly benefiting from them “west” imagine 2.3 billion N$ I promise you this will vanish again just like other big donations, dished out among those who are telling us to hate the west while they drive fancy cars and live in fancy houses and fat bank accounts, “while they don’t even own a mall or something” and where do you think they get all that money? Yes of course you right by saying west donations come with strings attached. There are no such things as money for FREE? NO! you are required to play by the rules as you get the money and if you mess-up? America will come and interrogate you and this is what African leaders take offence they what to mess-up and nobody should speak if you speak you are against them. People are not against them “Leaders’ but are speaking for the masses that are drowning into extreme poverty and dictatorship, corruption etc.. African Leaders who mess-up must face the music and they should realize that as much as they learn to be accountable leaders of their nations, west will not bother. 2.3 billions N$ may be used to pay ex-combatants who knows? Even better! Imagine how we could afford without it! Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Qdapuka Number Posts: 42 Last Post: 08.09.2008, 17:00 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 13:39 I agree with you Mandume, lets us face the reality we need the 'west' more than they need us. What would we do without them? We beg for everything and we are so used to the 'west' taking care of us that we fail to stand on our own feet. For me, we african are still colonised, even though we claim to be independent, we still run after the colonisers for money to build our infrastructure then we can claim we have built this and that. Making it worse, instead of using that money to atleast invest in something that would sustain ourselves, we spend the money on projects that not benefiting the masses but enriching ourselves. When are we going to stand on our own feet? Please don't tell me, we have been independent for just two decade because that's not an excuses atleast if were producing even our own food to feed on, it would be understandable. Whatever it is, i don't know. Look at african countries who ahve been independent for a very long time, they also still turn to the west for everything. We would not survive without the west, the fight against AIDS would have been lost long time ago, building and renovating roads, giving health care to our people would have been terrible. Now wonder we cannot stand any kind of sanctions from the west because we depend on them. Do you really think these countries would give you all that money for nothing? Do you think they don't unemploymnet in their country? That's an investment so that they create job opportunities for their citizens. There is nothing for free, we work for everything that we receive from west indirectly through making sure they are the ones having their hands on our precious natural resources which we are unable to process ourselve. Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Boerseun Number Posts: 211 Last Post: 08.10.2008, 21:28 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 14:28 Sacramento, I like your post!! No doubt the criticisers of the West will have something to say about it!! I have long maintained that a lot of contributers to this forum have double standards (hypoccrates) 2.3 BILLION is actually about 300 mollion more than what I estimate Namibia will need for a 'green revolution" in the agricultural sector. I will submit a post when I have more time on how the communal farmers can become "middle class" income earners with an investment (at cost to government) of about 2 Billion N$ - if we can keep corruption and political favouritism out of it. Only problem I have with donor money is the large percentage of the funds being spend on administration. Of this 2.3 Billion, I doubt that even half will actually benefit people directly. The rest will go to admin costs. Lets see if the "enemies of the west" will call Namibia a Western Puppet!! Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) mind yo stuffs Number Posts: 156 Last Post: 11.10.2008, 00:48 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 14:29 Our president lacks nowadays politic , he only seem to be a leader but not a politician, nowadays politic is too hypocritical, The bush administration is a hustlers group, looking for what ever kind of resources to feed their never-satisfied Americans, these 2,3 billion have jeopardized our diamonds and other precious rocks, where are the true politicians at? Russians are establishing some nuclear power plants in Namibia in a short run, Our Nampower will lose a reasonable number of customers and money goes back to Europe, Europeans just surprise the government with useless mining and industrial technology and the Govt get misled, we need a Younger president, from 40-50 yrs old the one who understands today's tricky politic Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) EPANGELO Number Posts: 298 Last Post: 07.10.2008, 08:39 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 14:52 Persons like me we welcome such an offer to build our country, its a pity that some of our fellow young one still living in the world of denials and run away from the facts on the ground. if u knew u don't need such an assistance simple because u did n't requested y should you accept it? Our leaders use to go there and ask assistance of that nature, don't just open ur mouth and wala wala if you don't know what is happening. We africans our existence depend on the west, Europeans and Asians and all those are whites whom the poor minded individuals of u hates, of course we need one another but there are those who are heavily dependent, the mother need her baby but the baby need her mother more for survival in life. Many of our leaders their children are studying in western countries while they are here preaching whites are killers and so on and who ever is on their side are imperialists and agents who is fooling who here? 3 or 4 months back now, one of our white haters and our leader was medically operated in the USA, I wonder why, the best was supposed to be Zimbabwe by true comrades not by whites. I sometimes conclude let them talk but the truth remain as it is, we need to change our mindset, level of thinking, judgements and indeed that comradeship mentality. Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) mind yo stuffs Number Posts: 156 Last Post: 11.10.2008, 00:48 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 15:09 You Epangelo, how can USA achieve your vision for you? we're supposed to work on our own, who helped America achieve what they achieved?????????? they took time and lived one day at a time, we aint supposed to rush to Aids when you know there's something behind donations, Obama gave a speech yesterday that black American should find ways to better their lives, why don't they get this and better their lives???? heard some poisoned blankents were to be donated to Namibians to kill them during colonial time? i wonder why the government never brought this to light don't be a consumer man, you'll consume poison one day, they offer you take!!!!!!!!!!!! funny, i thought you're a G [Post edited by: mind yo business on 15/7/08 3:30 PM] Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) EPANGELO Number Posts: 298 Last Post: 07.10.2008, 08:39 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 17:21 Yes mind your business I get u well and here are your ans facilitated by examples for ur better understanding. We should not follow the route Americans took for their current economic development from the grassroot level, as we all know such an economic advancement is associated with high level of education in terms of research, design, testing and implementation of various systems hundreds of years ago.Technically speaking modern industries are using modern formulae to produce consumable pruducts and those formulae were discovered by scentists and engineers who lived many many years ago. I am challenging u if u want us now to start there to face our development, who need to waste time mixing chemicals and taking risk if u are not sure of the outcome of that experiment? Your neighbor is very sure of everything so you better let him/her teach u. We need to work on our own but we need those guys to teach us honestry. U and me are here today commmunicating electronically and such a facility is made possible by satellite being postioned deep into space for transceiver information interchange designed by white ppl. The kudu gas discovery in our southern coastal region was not spoted by us Namibians but by spy sattelite of foreign nations, and the oil research underway in our nothern coastal area is not by us fellow citizen, wake up and face the reality on the ground. we need their aids and assistance by all means the problem is us, we don't prioritize what need to be first lather than running to self enrichment and all the corrupt practices. We need to persuade those whites to build chemical industries here only then our ppl can learn all those intermedium process that lead to a final product, otherwise we wont know anything if they just mine our minerals and do the processing in their country. How are we going to know their formula if that's the case? If we continue that culture of having issues with those guys they will forever come here, exproit our resources and left and then later they sell back to us at high price including punishment for your being arrogant to them. Whether we get assitance from Americans, British, Chinese, German or who ever is in Asia or Europe they all have the same intention to serve their interest, let us take advantage of them to teach us as well. Till next time Mind your b. and pls think globally not just on a local bases. EPANGELO !! Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) mind yo stuffs Number Posts: 156 Last Post: 11.10.2008, 00:48 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 15. July 2008 at 18:05 I got yo points, they are sound, but the problem is in the government, imagine when they're giving scholarships, students select the courses they want, the government is supposed to see which kind of profession is lacking in the country and allocate for those who wanna go study abroad, and there are courses that foreign students are not allowed to study in many European countries, but if the 2 governments agree, student's can study in any field and the country will have all types of people that it need, then importing foreigners, Europeans don't like us to tell the truth, the president may like African because he can benefit but the whole population is fuccked up racists we need to try on our own and know how to make every possible thing importing a product and export it back to Europe for service after some times Namibia's population is too tiny, they don't need any financial boost, shame on the government that it cannot carter for 2millions, other country have 40 millions and more but they are surviving, they closed small businesses like shebeens so that the big Shops like Shoprite, Pick'n pay will benefit more and these are foreign shops, all we need is too combine the British education system and South African system to come up with a stronger one, we owe a lot, we are debtors, we can't be all time beggars donations every time, the donations don't make no difference, those corrupted fathers of ours in offices are corrupted they appropriate the money. NO DONATIONS, WE DON'T SEE THEIR EFFECTS IN THE SOCIETY Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Sacramento Number Posts: 251 Last Post: 10.10.2008, 05:21 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 16. July 2008 at 04:25 Kachokwe You misunderstood my posting, I wasn’t saying Namibia is a puppet, I was only referring to those who went on this forum to say Botswana and all the Individuals who accept Western money( Ask for it or not) are puppets and imperialists, which is why I asked in what category was Namibia. And yes we did ask for the money, in fact the government established a special office in Windhoek to ensure that we benefit from this proceeding. I am not disputing the fact that they need to compensate for their past deeds, but it shouldn’t be bad money for some and a deserving for others. Just to clarify my point bra. Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Sacramento Number Posts: 251 Last Post: 10.10.2008, 05:21 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 16. July 2008 at 04:43 Boerseun I dare them to come out, we as Africans want good governance, benefiting the poor of the poorest not elites, some peoples who are seems to be confined inside the box would say this is anti-government, it is not, it is the truth. It is the duty of this generation to intervene when our political arena needs renovation, otherwise if we pretend it is all right, it might be too late for tears (Zimbabwe). Health debate is about different opinions, and I like it when people debate for a solution and not just for the sake of debating, what is write is write and what is wrong is wrong, period. Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Nameless Number Posts: 48 Last Post: 22.09.2008, 15:46 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 16. July 2008 at 09:12 I don't have a problem with donor money the issue I'm having is where do this money goes????????? every now and then you hear the country getting donations from this and that country but still we are stricken by poverty, unemployement and HIV. I think our government is made up of money hungry individuals Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Tiara Number Posts: 319 Last Post: 09.10.2008, 23:14 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 16. July 2008 at 22:42 What can be said about this post that has not been said already?? All I can say is very good Sacramento!I am really sick and tired of people who are still living in denial and always blaming the west for nothing! God bless Africa. Peace. Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) mind yo stuffs Number Posts: 156 Last Post: 11.10.2008, 00:48 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 16. July 2008 at 23:45 Bush had a trip to the most African that have high AIDS infection and they organized the money to be paid to most affected countries by the epidemic, Namibia was part of the program and Namibians voted that Bush is not welcome to Namibia, so he toured other African countries like Ghana, if Bush wasn't welcome how come the money they organized for combating Aids is welcome? come on people, don't be golddigas the fact is you supposed to allow Bush to visit if you knew he can bring something useful but from ma perspective, there are strings attached on that 2.3 Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) EPANGELO Number Posts: 298 Last Post: 07.10.2008, 08:39 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 17. July 2008 at 12:33 I get your postion now Mind your B and in fact I was n't supposed to waste my time explaining things to you coz you knew nani. You ask as you are against the western aid and so on. The problem is truely in the hands of those in power of the African governments, they go to the ordinary ppl in the villages and vomit all the negative words about whites which is not true by the way! Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) mind yo stuffs Number Posts: 156 Last Post: 11.10.2008, 00:48 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 17. July 2008 at 13:19 Namibians opposed Bush's visitation to Namibia, and the campaign for tuoring African country organised the donors that are being handed over to combat AIDS, If we opposed his visitation, why don't we oppose the money too???????????? those are bitchy attitudes Re: Namibia to get N$2,3b from US (the west?) Sacramento Number Posts: 251 Last Post: 10.10.2008, 05:21 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 18. July 2008 at 03:10 Epangelo, You are right comrade, the whole thing is, the past is the past, of coz we do not need to forget what was done to us and we have to make them payback, they owe it to us. however, if we go on saying the west is so bad, the whites and bla bla.. and yet jump for their money, that is double standard for me, in fact Bush is the only American President whose admiinstration did so much for Africa, Namibia in particular. Yes I know, call him an Ass... but he just wasnt that bad after all. Post Views: 790 Displaying all 18 posts: © 2008 web.com.na About | Press | Contact & Support | Terms & Conditions| Privacy | Imprint Designed for Namibia