 What is cooking in the SWAPO pot? |
Sacramento
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| Tuesday, 05. August 2008 at 02:55 |
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something fishy, looking at the recently concluded CC meeting, it looks like there are problems in SWAPO, biger than I initialy thought. My own analysis: Sam is not done yet, Pohamba is just passing by, Pendukeni is calling the shots, The SPLY is driving a cordinated agenda, Nahas and Amadhila messed with wrong people( Workers Union and youth league) it seems more defect to RDP is on the card etc
The only thing is that if the CC is not carefull, they might play into the hands of the RDP.
What is your take on that?
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vakwetu
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| Tuesday, 05. August 2008 at 11:23 |
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Dear sacramento
thanks to the topic and i have few to say and this is my own opinion.
i think what ever is happenning should be taken in a positive way.
why because people are more open to talk and discuss issues in pohamaba goverment than before.
i will tell you no one could question Nujoma like how they are doing with Pohamaba, with Nujoma
you question the next thing you will be fired, people had fear with Pohamba they are more open.
which in my thinking is good for democracy say your say and debate constractively.
if our leadres are not careful especialy in Swapo many people will defect to RDP.
if who ever is thinking to boot Pohamaba that will be a big misatke one will dream off.
because weather we like it or not kwanyamas are the majority in the north.this people will unite if the swapo leadeship is busy victimasing people especialy Kwanyamas, politics is about good strategies not bad ones which can make others feel they are being watched and spy on a daily base, that problem is bringing more division in swapo especialy those who realy don,t know what politics is all about.
when you start personalizing in politics you are dead cause people are the ones who vote at the end of the day just imagine when you boot one a person from a party how many family members can simpathize with a person and how many votes do you loose.
Put Hage Preisdent that will be the end of swapo peopel will go to their tribes just like what is happening in Namibias whole 13 regions, if people are palying if you give room to Kwanyamas to see their being victimazed that wiil be the end of swapo , and it is not Kwanaymas only look at the division in all regions people are forming parties so wher is swapo going to get more votes if they start victimazing the majority ? poliotics is dirty, specially when you can,t see what is coming.
i like Pohamab leadership because he is very calm eventhough some people are questioning him do you think they could do that to Nujoma no way.
one thing pohamab is giving power to people to express themselves freely with no fear.
because we are used to autocracy when we see things like this we feel maybe something is wrong yes it is wrong because we are not used to talking and asking if something is wrong.
hence pohamaba have given us that evevnthough sometimes media want to exagarate and twist it in a negative way.
every namibian citizen have the power to express themselve where they see that something is wrong.
if we are open to that than democracy will flourish, because we are used to fights and backstabbing
i am not saying what i said is hundred percent correct but thats how i see things.
seems pohamaba is a man of his own thinking , so need to be patient it is a new change or how.
but if others are so negative this will be our own desrtuction in swapo cause politica is about votes not which tribe are you or maybe you simpathy with RDP . politics is dirty so play the game wisely or else you loose supporters cause what we need is people to vote and support us not tribes.
thank you
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Sacramento
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| Wednesday, 06. August 2008 at 01:51 |
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You said it bra, they can deny it in the press but only the blind men cant c it, the party is hearding for a big slam, people will defnetly join the parties they can be associated with, this is what I know about African Politics and something special is needed to save it, I some times dont know if people know what the kwanyamas are capable of( can some one give me the statistics of the PLAN) who fought, who died and wh commanded and so on, to me it is like craping a sleeping dog.
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Rhymes
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| Wednesday, 06. August 2008 at 09:22 |
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Vakwetu
I don't deny that there are problems in SWAPO, but you people act as if the probles are created by people who want to intentionally sideline Kwanyamas. You said the SWAPO leadership is victimasing kwanyamas, where did you get such vague and biased information? Why do u always have to go tribal?
and for your information the majority in SWAPO are not kwanyamas......just becuase someone speak oshikwanyama it doesn't mean that they are necesarily Kwanyamas!!
Im not against anyone...i just hate people who think they untouchable because they belong to a certain tribe. and when they are touched, they think it is because they belong to a certain tribe.
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Rhymes
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| Wednesday, 06. August 2008 at 09:32 |
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Sacramento
what are Kwanyamas capable of? Fill us in!
As far as im concerned....the so called Kwanyama party (RDP), is dying a natural death!
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FBI
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| Wednesday, 06. August 2008 at 09:54 |
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ShaWAPO have lost vision and focus.That's it!
RDP for the clever ones...............
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vakwetu
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Yes Rhymes
my ponit is the Majority in owamboland are kwanyama do you want to deny that.look at the consenquesces in the long run if the division goes deeper thats what i mean.
today politics is about your tribe weather you want to agree or not.
if not welll guided each village will have a party why.
when people are not treated equaly they rebel.
when development is going to one region people rebel.
when the south which has Diamonds is not developed people form party.
when some swapo supporters starts insulting Kwanyama the others will follow in the future.
our army and police today other regions believe they are not treated equally or not trusted things will go wrong in the near future. when ambassadors are appointed only one tribe is the majority people get bitter and feel maginalised if not adresss this will bring many break out.
the kwangali people who suffered for swapo for eighteen years have been travelling in dust roads
did not see any development in that region only problems with their fellow Oshiwambo speaking.
do you think the people are happy why not finding a lasting solution if not adressed they will vote for hope some where, lets learn to solve problems affecting our people than we won,t have too many problems, but when things are not going well people think otherwise.
today we want to deny what others say, or tell them they are biased it is my opinion and thats the way i see things , we must be open and point out problems before it is too late it is better to discuss our namibian problems than deny it lets look at the cosenquences of all what others are poinitng out.
today we can deny tribalism but Namibians are too tribal oriented why lets discuss our tribal orieted
if at least we find that problem than it is about time we start treating the disease of too tribal
In Namibia today we don,t look at ourselves as namibians other than our tribes . am i wrong Rhymes.
if i am wrong than educate me the way you know than i will learn from your points.
thank you
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V.m'boy
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| Wednesday, 06. August 2008 at 12:19 |
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Rhymes. I never knew that u were also a young politician and most of all im surprised that u are a pro SWAPO.
Rhymes dont you think that its too early for you to be so passionate about politics, i know you are getting the guidance from your uncle, but please Rhymes it is just too early for you to hate RDP.
I wont be surprised if you one day capture yourself a prominent position in SPYL 10 years to come.
Am not for RDP nor any other political party. All i can say is that i support any idea that is for democracy. Sometimes RDP sometimes COD but not always SWAPO though i favoured them just before the old man cried for the third term.
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Sacramento
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Rhymes
I tought I clarified my point, I was talking refering to history of liberation strungle, the role they played in terms of fighting the boers( read the post again ang convince me otherwise), I dont know what you people want to c before you believe that there is victimisation in SWAPO, as for you well I dont expect you to see it( it is currently in your favor) and word has it that you still wet behind your ears to understand what bad politics can bring to a country.
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Elaeti.nam
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| Thursday, 07. August 2008 at 10:53 |
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NICE 1 Rhymes...
What is happening in SWAPO is simply differences of opinions, which is common among any functioning organisation made up of diverse people with unique opinions but with a common goal, that of making Namibia a better, prosperous and united country. Just as it has been happening for the past 18 years. What Swapo detractors must watch is how differences are resolved without resolting to tribalism, rather that exaggerating and imagining things that are not there.
The Namibian dispatched four journalists to the SWAPO Congress yet all they came up was the crap they wrote on monday. Many parts of the monday story ( rather opinions) do not make sense at all, which is why they were simply dismissed and dried out.
Another interesting story is that of Kaptein Hendjala; it is widely known that the man is an RDP, it was just a matter of time for him to either resign or get fired. It is laughable that Hendjala chose to play the tribal card when He finaly got booted, but it is not surprising, He is simply carrying out the main agenda of his party, that of promoting tribalism.
RDP's tribal tactics are finally coming out, watch the next post on the Nghikembwa Nampost story...
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Elaeti.nam
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When it became clear that Sakaria Nghikembua will not renew his CEO contract at Nampost, because He got a new job in the private sector; The RDP tribal machines started firing in all directions that Nghikembua is lossing position because He is a Kwanyama... Read the letter below by Nghikembua which appeared in Informante.
Written by Sakaria H. Nghikembua
Thursday, 24 July 2008
Dear Editor,
I wish to respond to a recent ‘letter’ written by Mr. Abed-Nego Nghifikwa, which was published in a local daily.
In his ‘letter’, which was meant to be a response to Citizen Nahas Angula’s earlier article, Mr. Nghifikwa lists a number of people whom he claims were ‘mistreated’ and/or lost their jobs in State-owned Enterprises, apparently because they were from the Ohangwena Region. He lists my name among those people.
I cannot speak for any of the people listed by him but I take strong exception to this falsification of facts. I was successfully employed as a Chief Executive of a State-owned Enterprise. I recently made a normal career move to a private sector company. I made this move out of my own free will in line with my long-term career plans, and discussed the move well in advance with both my Shareholding Minister and Board of Directors. I was never mistreated nor did I ever lose my job. In fact, I had the best working relationship with my Board and Shareholding Minister. Had this private sector opportunity not come up at the time it did, I would still have been serving happily in that role.
When Mr. Nghifikwa’s ‘letter’ was first circulated in Windhoek, I called him and pointed out that he had written factual inaccuracies. I told him that I was never mistreated by anybody and that I never lost my job. I asked him where he got his information from. He informed me (and I had a witness listening in on the conversation) that he did not write the ‘letter’. According to him, some youngsters in Windhoek wrote the ‘letter’ and used his details for sign-off. He refused to reveal the names of these youngsters. I left the matter there at the time after having taken counsel from friends and family.
Now, I see that Mr. Nghifikwa has proceeded to publicise something that he knows to be untrue as he had originally written it (or, if you accept his version of the story, as the youngsters had written it for him). I sincerely hope that he will now take appropriate action against these youngsters for proceeding to publicise lies in his name.
The authors know very well that their version about me is devoid of any truth. They are using people’s names to try and advance their own misguided interests. People whom they have never met or spoken to, and who do not even share their interests.
I have made my point; I was never mistreated and never lost my job. People who operate from dark corners must please learn to tell the truth. They must separate facts from fiction and they must know that they cannot advance their interests on the back of falsehoods.
Sincerely,
Sakaria H. Nghikembua
Windhoek
The Kwanyamas will not support Hidipo's Tribal Project as we have proven it at Eenhana....
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Sacramento
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Elaiti
differences of opinions should be appreciated and debated and not be seen as being oposition, they attached Pohamba and they never dare to question Nuyoma, it is a pity. and the youth league, oo they are just fine? come on, waki waki and feel its aroma man.
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Elaeti.nam
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If the issue at the centre of differences of opinions is "Opposition", then it should be brought to the table be discussed and find the way forward. Rather than have it discussed in office corridors and Kambashus.
I do not necessarily agree with the way Youth Leaguers reveal issues that should be internal into public but atleast it gives us the glimpse of what is hapenning in the people's party.
But these are small issues, the BIG issue is RDP's tribal project of trying by all means to convince the Kwanyamas that they are being mistreated by SWAPO, which ofcoarse is not true . Can't you smell that aroma Sacramento? or are your nostrils scent selective?
People are punished by SWAPO because of other wrong doings yet they come up and say "It is because I'm a Kwanyama" WHY? Aren't We progressive and peace loving people not suppose to condemn such behaviours?
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fugyy
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| Thursday, 07. August 2008 at 12:33 |
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Bullshit what you are promoting here is not peace but rather tribalism,get something better ladies n gents(we are building not destroying).........
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Tiara
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| Thursday, 07. August 2008 at 12:47 |
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Viva RDP,Viva SWAPO! RDP + SWAPO = ONE NATION THAT MAKES UP NAMIBIA!
So,Viva Namibia!!!!!!!
I support any idea that is for democracy!
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second bill gate
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| Thursday, 07. August 2008 at 12:58 |
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YOU MUST STOP HARRASING SWAPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mcarla
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second bill gate, there is no harrsmnt here let de up comng politicians say their say.
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Superman
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There have been a love-to-hate relationship between The Namibian Newspaper and SWAPO since I can remember, don’t be surprised when those journos are exaggerating every story they write about SWAPO, they have been there before without success, their aim is to effect a regime change in Namibia. Most of what they are writing is their opinions, more of what they want to see happening in the party and they claims info are from their reliable sources… (Reliable sources in SWAPO?!.. Giving destructive and negative information that can destroy the party?!) They must be traced and expelled because what is eating the body within is more dangerous then the one outside.
What is the CC meeting for? It’s for discussing and raising different issues concerning the wellness of the party and this exercise must not be viewed as a war-zone for the haters to shoot at their rivals with fabrications.
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Elaeti.nam
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You are some how right Fugyy.
But these are the negative realities in our society today. We need to deal and resolve them open mindedly without denialism.
We must condemn individuals who are promoting tribalism. Its definitely an evil we don't want in our society. It's like the Race issue in the US Presidential campaign.
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Rhymes
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V.m'boy
What can i say man, in fate is already determined....
I don't hate it, i just want someone to tell me their aims and what they plan to do when elected...which they couldn't do while they were in SWAPO.
but politics is something a person can not run way from.....it affect us whether we like it or not.
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Goddy
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There are many things to look at here!
1. A leader being critisized in good manner for change is not bad at all. Thats how we learn from each other.
2. Second force for Nujoma and Iithana within SWAPO will just finish that party in one day.
3. Concern about some Ambassadors appointed by the President without notice to some SWAPO CC members is just funny and unrealistic.
4. Pohamba seems to be rebuilding SWAPO party in unity while other cadres wanted it vice versa.
The recent SWAPO central cmtte meeting proofed to many that, not so good in SWAPO till now and thatwill pave way to individuals to golook for green cards else where.
I wish SWAPO party good healthy and strength!
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Sacramento
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Goddy , you said it, Elaiti, maybe you just need to liberate your moribund mind little bit and stop living in denial, it is a dangerous thing to ignore facts and stick to what you want to see( stagnation), Pohamba was just trying to mend what Nauyoma destroyed( who did Nauyoma consult when appointed and dismissed people), it is called presidential prerogative I believe, the people who left SWAPO becoz of ill treatment could have returned with the arrival of Pohamba, but now that Pohamba is not allowed to appoint and is not even guaranteed a second term, well, hmmmm.....that is the aroma in the air for the normal nostrils.
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0Byte
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Sacramento,...are u a politician coz seems like u are really interested in it and u know more about it man. Am not that kind into politics but sometimes i just like reading wht politician are saying coz though am not tht into it...i know it touch my life somewhere. I find it hard to believe in politics coz...ag sometimes....its not always fair.
Keep the hood bra!
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Sacramento
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OByte
I am into Humanitarian, Politics is what makes me go around the world trying to help and clean up the mess usually left by bad politicians bra, it is a good thing you are not into it( it is like chameleon colours) however, it always comes to haunt us all. I love Namibia and we cant afford to lose what we got at such a high price, tranquility and serenity.
peace!!
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0Byte
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Sacramento u are ri8....but about this topic about wht is happening in SWAPO ag so much turned my head into a whirlpool these days....sure something fishy going on SWAPO. but what are these fishy stuffs? I think soon we may know. Just wait the true color will emerge soon.
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