Tuesday, 06.01.2009 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 0 Members, 14 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Tuesday, 06.01.2009, 05:47 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : Political Discussions Displaying all 13 posts: Post Views: 1080 Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Boerseun Number Posts: 246 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 23:17 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 14. August 2008 at 23:08 Do you guys think it is a clever thing for Pres. Pohamba to go to South Africa tomorrow?? He does not have to worry about the Boers, but he should be VERY careful of the "Pan Africanist Black Brothers" in South Africa. If you looked at the news recently, these black brothers in South Africa are not at all keen on black brothers from elsewhere in Africa. He may have to run into a refugee camp himself, chased by a horde of "Pan Africanist Black Brothers" who want to necklace him. At least the Boers in South Africa goes to these refugee cams to hand out blankets and food, so nobody goes hungry..... Aah, such a beautiful thing, Brotherly Love !! Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 15. August 2008 at 02:24 Hi pal (Boerseun that is) you might be missing a point here, what you forgot to include in your post is the historical connotation in such conduct, the cause of xenophobic behavior, in SA which is not limited to Namibia. The Black people have been subjected to( by the Boers) a system of divide and rule, this was a systematic and well calculated tactic to make sure that blacks shift the hatred from the bores to other blacks, they were encouraged( even compensated) not to let a Zulu into a Xhosa territory or a Damara in wambo locasie. It is not surprising for me to see such behavior( typically made by Boers) happening in SA, this are destitute people and are likely to react when feel threatened, after all for years, that is all they were basically thought by their colonial masters, how to hate, blame and segregate. For that reason, Pohamba’s Visit to SA is crucial at this point in time, he can now go to SA and try to heal this Boerly produced disease, I suggest he visit places like Soweto and explain to them what is expected of an African toward the other, in the modern age. Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Satlam Number Posts: 33 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 12:36 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 15. August 2008 at 09:27 Exactly my words Sacramento!! Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Boerseun Number Posts: 246 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 23:17 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 15. August 2008 at 11:13 You guys still miss the point I was trying to convey. I'll have a look at other replies first before explaining. By the way, were the Boers responsible for conflict between Hutus and Tutsis?? Or were the boers responsible for wars between Hereros and Namas? Did they cause the grazing dispute in northern Namibia?? Why are the Boers not racist toward the English, who murdered about 70 000 Boers in Concentration Camps?? Why can Jews and Germans co-exist in Europe today?? Why can Germans an English co exist in peace?? The USA fought a war of liberation against England, who was their colonial master. Why do they exist in peace today?? I think you should move past blame-shifting, and rather look for the REAL cause. ( Why is Black on Black racism not called racism, but "watered down" terms like "tribalism" or "xenofobia"??) I'd love to hear your take on the above points. Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Saturday, 16. August 2008 at 08:33 My brother, Boerseun(I will make sure my father doesn’t here me calling you this)..lol you see how we moved on. In my previous post referred to the tactic of divide and rule, this was not just used by the Boers but by all other western colonizers all over Africa. I am not buying your argument about Boers not discriminating against English, I worked with Boers bra, your people do not give a shit about anybody else but themselves. The issues of Nama/Herero or grazing dispute is ofcoz as a result of that hatred which was seeded in our people by the bores. The black on black violence is called something else because racism by definition (yes I know it may mean something else eg. intolerance etc) but in this context has to do with colour. The point is, politicians and all of us need to work hard in order to decolonize the minds of many, it will take time coz the damage is big but eventually, it is our duty(the current and next generation) to make sure that our people gradually are mentally liberated from this kind of thoughts. The Jews were heavily compensated and were brought into the main stream, today the Hereros talk about reparations and no one want to listening, can you tell me why? As a result, our people remain poor and your people continue to enjoy economical supremacy (which is why they feel obligated to give those blankets at the refuge camps) I am not blaming the Boers only, but every body involve including governments should take the blame, those people ended up in SA escaping from failed leadership in Zimbabwe and elsewhere. Avios friend. Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Boerseun Number Posts: 246 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 23:17 [ View User's Posts ] Saturday, 16. August 2008 at 13:36 Your "devide and rule" answer holds no water. There were continious and large scale wars going on between African Tribes for hundreds of years before the first white settlements in Africa. Why? Is it not because they used WAR to settle any dispute ? Did they not engage other tribes in war in order to secure grazing for their animals, or access to permanent water etc? Why then should the role of the "colonisers" be seen as any different to the role of any other African warring faction? After all, colonisers waged war for EXACTLY the same reasons that the African tribes waged war - access to resources! That is why the Nama and Herero had wars, that is why the Xosa and Zulu had wars, that is why the Germans and Hereros were at war etc. Why now suddenly apply different standards because one of the sides was more successfull than the other? If you go into the history of southern africa, and in particular the area wich comprises namibia today, you will see that the San / Bushmen were the ONLY human inhabitants for thousands of years, and that the Black tribes ( The Bantu Tribes) only moved in a few hundred years ago. How did they get their land here? Answer: THEY TOOK IT BY FORCE from the San. Why is there no outcry in Namibia to return the tribal lands of the Bantu tribes to the ORIGINAL inhabitants - the san? Why the different standards ? We should also remember that us humans are also animals. We are Warm Blooded Mamals, and as such, our basic survival depends on the same things as any other life form. The rules which govern the existance of species is not defined by democratic principles, nor by the UN, or any other statutory body. Our existance ( as a living organism) depends on one rule and one rule only: SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. All this business of "returning what you stole" goes against the basic survival law. The way of nature is, if you want it, you take it. If you want it back, you retake it. That is what makes a species strong and viable. That is how it worked in Africa for thousands of years. That is the BASIC rules we should accept. Anything else will compromise the long tem viability of Homo Sapiens!! Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? 0Byte Number Posts: 331 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 17:14 [ View User's Posts ] Saturday, 16. August 2008 at 13:57 Boerseun,...hello there What are your dreams towards Africa (particularly Namibia)? ...and how do u wanna/wish to achieve your dreams? Suppose you achieved your dream, how do you want to be maintained? Again what is your inspiration? I will be glad to see your answers yours 0Byte [Post edited by: 0Byte on 16/8/08 2:00 PM] [Post edited by: 0Byte on 16/8/08 2:01 PM] Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Boerseun Number Posts: 246 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 23:17 [ View User's Posts ] Saturday, 16. August 2008 at 15:51 My dream for Namibia is that we should become a First Word Country. No, or very low, unemployment, good public services ( like education, healthcare, police etc), and a high standard of living. The reason I am "at war" with the current system, is because it does not look likely to achieve this dream, simply because they do not use ALL the human resources available to them, and because they are more interested in promoting personal intrest ahead of national intrest. That is why we have all these counter productive crap like land reform ( as opposed to a Green Revolution) and Affirmitave Action ( as opposed to " most skill" ) - i.e. we are NOT making use of what we have available to us. Stop wasting money, and start with progress. Turn communal land into commercial (and productive) farmland, support business people to create more employment, without coupling it to counter-productive conditions such as skin colour. Base all decisions on competency and skill, rather than tribe and colour. And, for the sake of the Living God, get rid of the useless politicians and MP's, and replace them with ACCOUNTABLE, and INTELLIGENT leadership who can look further than their own tribe, or can contribute more to politics than continious (counter productive) referrals to some imagined or real injustices of the past. The past does not shape our future. The present does, and at present we've got a blind pilot flying this plane..... Also, we should have a culture of "agreed differences" which will allow each ethnic group to maintain their specific identity, without detracting from the national intrest as a whole. That will allow us to exploit what we have at our disposal to the maximum effect, and secure a bright future, without being dominated by any one tribe. ( See my previous postings on the "ethnic federation" model for more background on this) As for my dreams for a wider Africa, basically the same as what I dream for Namibia, including more cross border co-operation and the eventual formation of a "United" Africa which allows for free movement of people and Resources without any predijuce. ( like the European Union) This will be almost impossible to achieve in Africa, though, because of the inherent inability of Africans to exist at peace and as equals with people of different cultures / tribes. ( The so-called "Xenofobia" of Africa - Racism to the rest of the world) Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 17. August 2008 at 02:44 Boerseun you wrote: The way of nature is, if you want it, you take it. If you want it back, you retake it.That is what makes a species strong and viable. That is how it worked in Africa for thousands of years. That is the BASIC rules we should accept. Anything else will compromise the long tem viability of Homo Sapiens!! with other words, Robert M is right to take back what was stolen from him, survival of the fittest right! Like any other indigenous in any given part of the word, they fought each others for survival in a conventional way, however, with civilization; this tendency was discouraged elsewhere except in Africa, that is the truth of the matter. Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? 0Byte Number Posts: 331 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 17:14 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. August 2008 at 17:55 Boerseun Thank so much for replying to my post......and i still wanna keep asking u.....mhhhh sorry, that i like asking too much. Do u mind if i keep further asking you? Yours 0Byte Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Boerseun Number Posts: 246 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 23:17 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. August 2008 at 23:04 Sacramento, Your statement " with other words, Robert M is right to take back what was stolen from him, survival of the fittest right! " refers. (Firstly, let me start by saying I used this statement to illistrate that it is NORMAL to fight ,i.e. as a specie we are genetically incapable to exist in continual, perfect peace and harmony with all other people) Simple answer: NO. Why? Because Robert Mugabe did NOT reclaim what belonged to him. At the time he started his land grabs, he was HUGELY wealthier than when he came into this world, thus he could not be "reclaiming" anything. If your reaction was to be fair, then Brittain should have send its armed forces to do battle with Zimbabwean forces, winner takes it all!! As it was done, the Zimbabwean Armed forces did battle with a few white farmers. Why did the Black farmers not initiate the land grabs?? Why were there no military intervention by 3rd force countries? His was more a "political power grab" than a "land grab" Anyway, Mugabe's level of idiocy is such that he cannot even comprehend the basics of democracy, which he himself fought to get introduced !! Disregard his actions, as his actions requires the same level of skill as for a dog turd to dry in the sun! Civilisation!! Aah, we moved on. Problem is, where do you draw the line? If whites have to give back land to the blacks, then blacks has to give back to other (earlier) blacks, and they in turn have to return the land to the Bushmen and they return ......to whom? Turn ALL land into a game park and cram all people into a densely populated city?? The only people still denied access to communal land in Namibia are the whites. ALL people have access to commercial land, therefore you can solve the land issue by turning all communal land into commercial land. Then improve living standards and incomes, so that fewer people depend on land for day to day survival, and those who want can afford a piece of their own land. Turn the GOVERNMENT into a landless entity..... PS - the devil make me say this: Bury R.M. standing up so he wastes less space !!!!!! Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? Boerseun Number Posts: 246 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 23:17 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. August 2008 at 23:08 0Byte, You can ask what you want, and I'll reply with whatever opinion comes to my mind. You may not like all the answers, though... Re: Is it safe for Pohamba to go to South Africa on Friday? 0Byte Number Posts: 331 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 17:14 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. August 2008 at 09:38 Thank u so much Boerseun......and i posted my questions on this page http://web.com.na/forums/namibia/politics/12206/16706?action=view#16706 on the topic "who is this guy Boerseun" i think is more appropriate there. 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