Tuesday, 06.01.2009 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 1 Members, 11 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Tuesday, 06.01.2009, 06:20 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : Political Discussions Displaying all 21 posts: Post Views: 1101 all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 12:59 People let's open our eyes once and for all. with the formation of all these new political parties in Namibia this shows me that Leaders are power hungry and all wants to be presidents with material benefits at heart but not people's interests. Let me give you examples of corruption practiced by three major political parties in Namibia. firstly the mighty SWAPO, Dr Nujoma wanted to build an airport in Ongandjela at Okahao ( his home town) while there is already an airport in Ondangwa and Oshakati (close by towns), building an airport while many people don't have access to clear water, health facilities, shelter and not to mention food. Secondly, RDP, The most corrupt of all, Mr Hidipo Hamutenya used the ministerial post at the time (TRADE AND INDUSTRY) to give loans to business people inorder to join his political party and later to provide funds for his campaign, no wander most of the business man in the north are RDP. I not stupit enough to join RDP, wich practices corruption before it gets out of the foetus, i know for sure that they are visionless. COD, former strong opposition party, Mr Ben Ulenga transported people to Keetmanshoop in a bus to vote him, to make matters worse COD gave $1000 to new members at the time of its implementation. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Shindenge Number Posts: 81 Last Post: 03.01.2009, 01:40 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 13:25 If all of the Political parties in Namibia are corrupt, what are we going to do in 2009 election? Of course we have to go to polls and vote for the country leadership from the less corrupt ones, because no one isperfect or flawless (oshiwambo proverb says"omunhu iha yela nga ei")(which means a human being can't be clean like an egg). You only cited SWAPO, COD and RDP as most corrupted parties, which means people can still go for either APP, MODC (or what have you), DTA (ontsino ya Namibia), NUDO, RP or DPN. According to your peception, those parties should be less corrupt, isn't it? Let me leave it to political pundits to analyse. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 13:57 thanks for your reply, it was in a mature manner. I don't mean other political parties are not corrupt but here, i only cited the three main political parties. I think by 2009 we have to vote for the less corrupt parties, but how will we know that this party is less corrupt? Smaller parties may look less corrupt simply because they don't have bigger roles to play in Namibian politics but they might be the worse of all. currently i don`t have a political party and doesn't know which one to vote come 2009. I think it will be better for the constitution to be changed to allow only two political parties like in the USA. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 14:17 Yeah 16volve... I will go for SWAPO because it is led by Hifikepunye Pohamba who has shown dedication to the fight against corruption. And the airport never got build anyway so ... Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 14:41 good for you, but the airport is not the only corruption SWAPO wanted to practice. the truth is SWAPO have a rich history which nobody can change but many will not be satisfied by history alone they would like a party which can build the nation at present and future, with the interest of the whole population at heart, SWAPO is trying but i don't think they have done enough, they should put more effort. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 01. September 2008 at 15:27 SWAPO has good history because they have always delivered on their promises. In fact it is the only party that has shown the capability to deliver. They have done a lot, at one stage I used to think SWAPO is not doing anything. That is because I was only reading a biased newspaper , but once I started looking at things more objectively I realised that SWAPO is an organisation of people who are strongly willing and able to make a difference. Off-coarse there are some bad apples. But overall it is a people oriented organisation. I believe in SWAPO because through their intervention I'm who I'm today, and i believe that they will be lifting more people out of poverty through education and other means. I have looked at their programmes and I'm really impressed. The biggest challenge that SWAPO has been facing for many years is that of finding properly educated people who are suitable to implement it's programmes. So as more of us are getting educated, we are availing ourselves for the challenge. The future looks exciting. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 11:17 Currently i don't have a political party, and i think SWAPO is the best for me among others but the only big problem in SWAPO is the fact that they don't want to accept other political parties makes me wonder if SWAPO is the best for me. those are just our brothers and sisters with different political opinions. why should i not give my brother water simply because we belong to different political parties? that's childish, many people suffered together in the struggle but some of them does not even great each other. Mr Ben Ulenga of CoD and Comrade the late Pandeni spent many years in robben island prison but according to Mr Ulenga he found pandeni in the super market one day and pandeni ignored him, while other times he refused to shake hands with Ulenga. The main question is why SWAPO wants people who don't belong to SWAPO to be removed from their jobs? to hold a position it depends on experience and qualification and have got nothing to do with the political party, this witch hunt by SWAPO will turn us into Zimbabwe. it's time for SWAPO to change that division among itself if its to achieve more things in future, what the hell is the Omusati clique suppose to mean in SWAPO that's absolutely nonsense, SWAPO should get real and fair if they want my vote. ENP. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Shindenge Number Posts: 81 Last Post: 03.01.2009, 01:40 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 12:36 Politics.... Politics!!!! Let me also contribute, though I am not a good politic player. I don't favour any Political Party at this juncture. I have been admiring Swapo all those years as it was only party with freedom-fight history, but due to the political turmoil in the present climate, this made me neutral. I mean I don't know who is telling the truth anymore, and/or who is having this country at heart. Some of the Parties, if not all, are hypocrites and liers. Imagine someone is telling you that, for example, if you vote for any other party other than SWAPO, koevoet will come back with their caspirs to trample your mahangu fields. That statement alone tells you that the campaigner does not have this country at heart, he/she only wants to cling on power. Some of the SWAPO break- aways are telling you that SWAPO is corrupt, it lost its vision and other "oonankali yokegulu". Do they really want to build and develop this country or they want to get positions and start pushing wheelbarrows (bellies)? However, I believe in multi-party governance; two third majority for one party is not healthy for democracy. Imagine how many projects were implemented after RDP, DPN, APP and many others, were founded. Neither economical or political monopoly is good for the country. POWERCOM was licenced to break MTC monopoly, and according to my point of view, so are the newly founded parties (were founded) to break Mighty SWAPO's political Monopoly. Let me give others a chance. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt EPANGELO Number Posts: 328 Last Post: 02.01.2009, 13:34 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 12:44 Thanks 16volve for your political analysis and understanding so it worth my contribution by the way, someone mentioned two political parties if we could have one, thats a best dream Namibia as a country can dream of. we really need only two political parties here but the challenge will be which parties are to die out? I think the best way to go is just to take the first two run up in the upcomming general election. Our members of parliament should do something to these mushrooming of parties in the country. We are not living in the past to keep on preaching the war of liberation here that was fought by both SWAPO, RDP ,COD, APP and may be some parties not so sure about their credibility toward our independency. I said so coz the leaders in those parties were plan fighters, or the steering commitee of the liberation movement, a fool can deny it but history can not be amended. Back to the corruption point of discussion, tate big man left more corruption in the GRN and the country at large so its difficult to root it out now but slowly it goes, Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt EPANGELO Number Posts: 328 Last Post: 02.01.2009, 13:34 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 13:31 Of course shindenge make it very clear, there should be competition, you must do something with a fear factor that if you are not performing you are ready to be kicked out not the other way round please. And these politicians coz they are doctors and proffessors in telling unfounded story, they run around the country to confuse our illiterate majorities to rally behind them, what the hell is that. Our ppl must be open minded to read the map by themselves. Its a pity that one SWAPO councilor who previously was a taxi driver in Ohangwena region is engineering one school principle to be out simply because of distance from SWAPO. A person with qualification, educating our nation but a councilor who know nothing rather than insults want such a productive person to get out, I some times happen to believe that's how a vision is lost, no more memory here, don't give them water, another demands to kill our brothers and sisters coz water is life its a clear demonstration how the vision is lost here. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt mshasho.com Number Posts: 80 Last Post: 19.11.2008, 14:03 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 14:08 waau!16volve u seem to be soo well informed about politics,both in namibia and worlover as u have just refered to your adimrable USA politics,nevertheless Mr 16volve,Do u know that there is a big distincition between highly DEVELOPED countries such as USA and UK politics?What would you expect of the already-corrupt leaders if you give them a monopolizesd leadership form? Mr 16volve,Namibia and Most if not all African countries are still on the "lag phase" of the development ladder,they still have alot to work on before they can adopt such a political style,as for the time being that style is highly suicidal,considering all the inference you just made about the incumbent leaders of the prospective ruling parties of namibia. I don't blame your sugestion though,its is the view of most people out there!may be we should just wait for the soo-called "white-elephant" vision 2030,then is when we can start thinking about monopolizing political landscapes. I lke your anlysis anyway,i look foward to more of them! U don' have to ignore because U can't ignore......the (truth) Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Kachokwe Number Posts: 144 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 12:24 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 03. September 2008 at 10:07 I personally agree with some points said here by different forum members on this topic. However, I am very concerned about the multiple of political parties in our country, which I see not a solution to political crisis and corruption as its the topic here. I would fully agree with those who are suggesting two political parties system, which again I doubt if will be practical possible here in Namibia where everyone want to be a leader or to be called President. Honestly speaking, Zimbabwe is good example in this regards, just see what is happening the is because of the split of MDC into two fraction, otherwise if there were only one MDC thay could have won straight away with relevant votes in the first round of election. Another thing which is worried me is the behaviour of some SWAPO members, who are failing to differeciate between SWAPO as libration movement and SWAPO of Namibia as ruling party. So, I think the SWAPO as party need to educate its people on this issue so that those hate speech towards other parties may come to an end. Because a person who understand the different of the above term will not see others as enemies but rather as a colleagues in politic if not comrade. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt FBI Number Posts: 20 Last Post: 09.10.2008, 15:08 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 03. September 2008 at 11:14 RDP is not a corrupt party.Don't preach just for the sake of preaching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!U must make sense. Prove what corrupt practices where done by an RDP leader,member,supporter or sympathiser under the RDP practises.RDP is a party for the people with vision and focus.RDP is exercising it's democratic rights,they are the people who knows and respects the constitution.RDP are the people who have realised that the will of the people have not been met after independence?18 years is alot and no progress is to be seen.........The RDP have the nation at heart,not like the the so called current led regime.RDP is not an enemy to the led regime. RDP is there to represent the will of the people and purposely to shape up things.Wake up people?????????? Guyz lets talk issues and not people. RDP for the people by the people. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt mshasho.com Number Posts: 80 Last Post: 19.11.2008, 14:03 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 03. September 2008 at 15:09 i like your view very much mr kachokwe,people shud wake up and recognise the diference between the old SWAPO and the new SWAPO. If they are to talk about SWAPO as it was those years then they sholud bear in mind that they are rejoicing friuts of the likes of HH,Ben Ulenga,Nyamus all those guys togetha. The reason SWAPO has done everything in the lib.strugle is because of the involvment of these guys.Now if they people out there,like most wambo-SWAPO-loyalists,claims that its only SWAPO who liberated the country,is it the name SWAPO that liberated the country or it is the people that made SWAPO back then? Like that then they are also claiming pride in these guys too.But then they are now contradicting themselves when thet call these guys "Mapulis,Judas',Limalimas,Gays,Imperialists,Opportunists" and soo forth.To me it does not make any sense to label somebody a betrayer when he saved your ass during tough times and just dump you when you are free.If this guys were commited to sabottage the country they would have done it during that time when it was very easy and lucrative,but the moment you have seen that these guys only came to break away form the SWAPo these days it means that something is honestly wrong.45 years that these guys dedicated to SWAPO is a clear indication that they have been loyal to the party. Oh,i m sory i m taking this too far and i m now mixing up things but please try to make sense out my post.I look forward to more from you,you have unbiased views.let me end it here but remember,political monopoly is going to fail Namibians,as long as they are as corrup as they are rigth now,the two political party system will flush us down the drain.JUST IMAGINE HAVING ONLY SWAPO AND RDP AS POLITICAL PARTIES IN NAMIBIA,HIDIPO AND NUJOMA(MENTOR OF THE PARTIES)ARE 'BIRDS OF SAME FEATHERS',YTHEY ARE LIKELY TO RESEMBLE,WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT? AGAIN,WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE POLITICAL PROGRAMS OF THESE TWO PARTIES,CUT THEM OUT? AGAIN WHAT WILL YOU DO TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT GAVE RIGHTD TO THE FORMATION OF NEW PARTIES,SCRAP IT? [Post edited by: mshasho.com on 03/9/08 3:16 PM] Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt mshasho.com Number Posts: 80 Last Post: 19.11.2008, 14:03 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 03. September 2008 at 15:28 can some body tell me something,These people are saying Hidipo is just aiming for his bread because he is suffering now that he left SWAPO,but DID HIDIPO and NAMBINGA GET FIRED OR RESIGNED?i think if Hidipo adn Nambinga were starving,they wouldn't have resigned,they would have clinged to parliament seat and eat their money for free like wat others are doing.i.e Tommy nambahu. Logicsl thinking Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 04:48 Honourable 16volves, I dont agree with you when you say RDP is one of the major parties in Namibia, unless you quantify such a statement it is misleading, last time I checked, COD than DTA and NUDO where the next big parties after SWAPO. The other thing that many people seems not to understand is the USA polistcal System, they dont only have two parties, they only have two major political parties, however there are other political parties including what they call independents, the only thing is that the two so-called major parties domonate the system and unless you are from one of this parties your way into the white house is limited this are some of the parties which are active in the US politics: United States politics. 1 Parties in presidential contention 1.1 Constitution Party 1.2 Democratic Party 1.3 Green Party 1.4 Libertarian Party 1.5 Republican Party On corruption, mhnnnnnn, it normaly goes smooth with power, so ho ever is in power can benefit the most,, there for you need high ethics in the leaders( some one like Phamba) to curb corruption, but it is not easy to achieve in isolation. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 10:04 Thanks very much to all of you who give your opinions in this regard especially Mr mshasho who have contributed more on this.mshasho and Epangelo I like the way you presented your opinions. Its true there are people who wish hidipo, nyamu, uulenga and the likes never existed, but the truth is those guys worked very hard for the independence of Namibia, the name SWAPO never carried a gun those days, but the guys who were in SWAPO did, and that should be appreciated. There are many fallen war heroes who i think if they were alive some of them would have formed their parties, but that does not mean history should be amended to erase their names out ( i wonder what SWAPo would have done to the street and the SWAPO logo if Tobias Hainyeko was one to have joined RDP). Getting back to the two party system, i think that will weaken corruption as there will be pressure on the ruling party to deliver as the opposition will have the ability to win the next election, this means that all members resigning from the ruling party goes to the opposition. Now with many party, the Ruling party won't feel the heat as the oppositions don't have the potential to cause a havoc and people resigning from the ruling party are divided among other parties.. SCRAMENTO, thanks for correction, yes there are five political parties in the USA but with only two dominating. RDP is one of the major parties because they are regarded now as the main opposition and i think the 2009 election will prove that. the fact that COD is regarded as the main opposition is because RDP was not yet involved in the parliament seat election, thus making COD the second party with many seats in the national assembly( after SWAPO). MR FBI, RDP is the most corrupt party of all in my opinions, RDP get its member especially business man by offering them government loans when MR hamutenya was a TRADE minister, or is that not corruption. deny and i can provide more on corruption practiced by RDP. Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Dai Number Posts: 566 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 10:59 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 10:32 Man, i agree with your statement. It wasnt even useful to me to go through the whole forum because, the statement is very clear and straight forward. I am sick and tired of this two political parties (RDP and Swapo), they are trying to expose one another although they are in the same boat, facing the same direction, with the same target! They are all corrupt and they dont realize the harm that they are causing to the citizens of our country. I dont see the difference of what the RDP is claiming to bring in the country, change for what! This is just corruption to corruption, violation to violation and indemocrasy to indemocrasy! They were happy when Pohamba came into power, because they said there were racism and tribalism against Kwanyama speakings. For God's sake, Pohamba is a Kwanyama and they are still claiming that Nuyoma-Pohamba still are against that! This guys (RDP and Swapo) are the same, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers of each other but they are just fighting an endless battle. Hatred being caused among people just for nothing! What is the use of voting for something that will not bring any change in our lives! I heard there is a bar-shebeen "xxxxxx" somewhere were if you re an RDP member, can always go and drink for free. Isnt that corruption, trying to buy people! Thats not how we do business and that wont cause a change in our lives.....people can drink at the end of the day, they are alone in the voting ballot....is the a quarantee! Most of the RDP membership came from Ohangwena and why didnt they win the Eenhanha election.....people can accept offerings but at the end of the day......they go for their own choices. Swapo people are trying to do all the bad things against Hamutenya....while they know that this guys knows all the corrupt practices that they have done together. Jesus, where are we heading? What are we trying to achieve? I want our goverment to be ruled by young men and women, who are smart, creative, innovative, productive and can produce something fruitful. Our leaders are old and they need to be at home, relaxing and enjoying their pensions. I dont see the difference between our political parties, they are all the same in all the practices..... I rather be a Swapo till i die than dying to see awaited changes of RDP Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 10:56 Dai, that was excellent man, what else? that's job done. RDP claims SWAPO is Corrupt and VIsionless, but they were also part of the corrupt and visionless party, why didn't they bring vision and reduce corruption in swapo instead of leaving? While SWAPO feels betrayed when the two political gurus left their party and therefore starts calling them Judas iscariots, they have the right to belong to any political party of their chioce but not just to be tattoos to swapo. These two political parties seems to deny everything, they are taking citizens as fools now. First HH deny involvement in RDP than Hendjala denied involvement in the same party, claiming that he won't be involved in politics but few days after he joined RDP. President Pohamba denied knowing about the resignation of MR Nghimtina while smiling and i am sure he knew about it, where there is sparks there is fire. its seems like there are many RDP members operating within SWAPO. Ano WHO IS FOOLING WHO? Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Dai Number Posts: 566 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 10:59 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:13 I am telling you, political situation in our country is confusing and ununderstable.....I gave up on it! Re: all political parties in NAMIBIA are corrupt Shoza Number Posts: 29 Last Post: 15.09.2008, 10:44 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 12:11 16 volve and all of the guys that contributed positively on this discussion this is the bare truth and only people who are not honest themselves will deny. Even leaders of these parties if they were honest enough they will agree with facts presented in these articles. keep it up 16 VOLVE. Post Views: 1101 Displaying all 21 posts: © 2009 web.com.na About | Press | Contact & Support | Terms & Conditions| Privacy | Imprint Designed for Namibia