Tuesday, 06.01.2009 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 1 Members, 17 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Tuesday, 06.01.2009, 04:15 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : Political Discussions Displaying all 14 posts: Post Views: 834 Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Santiago-de-Compostela Number Posts: 37 Last Post: 17.12.2008, 09:16 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 13:54 Let me intrude in for the first time in this august house, even I am not sworn in as an MP. I understood the judge is on vacation However, i have been a regular guest on the web. Here I go: On Tuesday's The Namibian Newspaper (02-09-2008), Tatekulu Uusko Nghaamwa (the Governor of Ohangwena Region) critisized the baby RDP for hoisting its flags on the trees which are in the proximity of the trees where SWAPO hoisted its, and has termed the trend as provocation. Now, Does SWAPO own trees? Or is there any place is this country that is a SWAPO zone and which is "NO ENTRY" to other parties? Is this country owned by SWAPO or GRN or both? Conversely, when did RDP find it ethical and expedient to hoist flags on trees if it has lamented SWAPO previously for such practice? Why did the RDP hoist its flags adjacent to SWAPO flags? Is this in fact provocation as my honourable uncle claims? Let us debate, the honorables also visit this web, they may take out something useful to the polical arena. Santiago Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Legal Trophy Number Posts: 49 Last Post: 30.10.2008, 08:12 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 02. September 2008 at 15:11 STILL Listening.....go ahead!! Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? FBI Number Posts: 20 Last Post: 09.10.2008, 15:08 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 03. September 2008 at 11:24 ShaWAPO does not own trees.Shame on them! There is no go zone areas for ShaWAPO in namibia.We don't want dictatorship in Namibia? ShaWAPO or GRN does not own this country?Namibia for Namibians. The propaganda of the RDP hoisting flags on trees by Nghaamwa is not true.That is cheap political points! RDP will never hoist flags on trees,they knows that the trees,houses etc does not vote? Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 09:17 Honourable Santiago, well come in the house, I understand you have been a back bancher for some times, but now, you are a full MP with voting rights..lol When we won the 1989 election in this country, SWAPO had few flags hosted else where, how ever the DTA ( totsuwa kOtsino) of Namibia had flags almost on every second bush, It could be just a demonstration of power/authority but I dont see logic in it. Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Dai Number Posts: 566 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 10:59 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 16. September 2008 at 08:00 FBI, firstly i want to give you a compliment, you have a cool name and it always remind me of great American action movies. Well, coming back to the topic, i really need to comment on your post regarding mounting of flags on trees. I want to remind you that Swapo is still a ruling party and wether you tanish the name, it will still remain a ruling party for the Republic of Namibia. Mounting flags on trees has been a practise for many years now and i dont see it as a big deal. FBI, I hope you have supporting statements on what you are saying. How can you say that RDP never hoist flags on trees? Unless you dont read newspapers! It was all over newspapers and a picture showing both flags (Swapo and RDP) on 1 tree was displayed. I wish our youth can be all smart when it comes to allegations! We need to be sure of what we are saying before we can post anything for the public eyes! For your information, this country is for the goverment of Swapo (yes, as a ruling party) and for all the people dispite of what ever political party. Whether you like it or not, Swapo is the boss and will remain the boss until the next election, where whoever won the presidential election will take over the leadership but until then, we just have to respect Swapo and its people. I am not taking sides but i like things well presented on top of a table. Swapo is doing wrong practises just like RDP. Dont you think that RDP people also have flags on trees whether on their compounds or where their meetings takes place? lets not make small issues big ones, raising flags is nothing and everyone can do so. Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? careta2007 Number Posts: 53 Last Post: 11.12.2008, 12:01 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 16. September 2008 at 14:17 the fact that both parties are fighting over the rights of planting flags on trees is darn right shameful, to make things worse this is splashed all over the front page of every newspaper, heed warning Namibians you are truly becoming like the rest of Africa squabbling about superficial meaningless, things while the Chinese slowly milk you of all your wealth, windhoek will surely look like Ouagadougou in 20 years time Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 17. September 2008 at 11:36 Santiago... thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic.. Political parties wherever they are, are supose to campaign inorder to recruit/retain their members. Campaigns takes different forms e.g Posters of Obama, McCain, Tony Leon, Kikwete etc. Namibia/SWAPO has adopted a culture of Flag hoisting as a way of campaigning and expressing ourselves. So to answer your question, I don't see anything wrong with hoisting the flags on trees, cars, houses etc. This has always been the practice I have observed as I was growing up. There is a big tree which serves as a bus stop somewhere between Omuthiya and Oshivelo. That tree and the area around is now known as "Omuti wepandela" (the tree of the flag) because it has SWAPO flag that has been there for many years. So that practice has been there as long as I can remember. As to whether hoisting flags on the same tree is provocation; I think it is. There was a story accompanied by pictures about how someone tried to burn down a Swapo hoisting tree in Okakwa area, but the People saw this and saved a tree. So the person came back and take down a flag, but it was taken back up again (ofcoarse this did not make headlines and it does not have to). That was an act of provocation that would increase the tension between the Parties in question. So flag hoisting is a normal democratic process as long as there are no provocations involved. provocations are not allowed in all other campaign related activities, because authorities are aware of consequenses of political tensions. So why would one hoist a flag on a tree which is already occupied when there are Billions of other trees without flags? or why would one burn down a tree which hoists another party's flag? SWAPO is lead and supported by peace loving people... Elaeti laNamibia Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 17. September 2008 at 12:04 Furthermore... For Nyamu of RDP to demand that people should not hoist flags on their houses is simply an attempt to deny us our rights to express ourselves. If that demand was from a SWAPO leader, ngeno onghuwo no ko New York (The whole world could have heard) When one drives around the country, there are some areas where all houses have SWAPO flags, this is probably too overwhelming to Nyamu, thus the call to remove flags. While we on the flags topic, I would like to share with you something interesting. On Google Earth, there is a picture posted at 22°31'6.72"S; 17° 2'12.84"E (Wanaheda) (make sure "Geographical Web" is ticked in order to view the picture). On the background of the picture there is a SWAPO flag, so u can't ignore..... Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? careta2007 Number Posts: 53 Last Post: 11.12.2008, 12:01 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 17. September 2008 at 13:57 the main problem that most of you don't realize is what petty arguments such as these can cause on our countries reputation in the eyes of the international community, today we fight about hoisting flags on trees, tomorrow we'll fight about who won the elections, thirdly we'll be right back where we started 18 years ago. whats sad to see is that there seems to be culture of intolerance when it comes to politics namibia , the same as that which is being displayed in Zimbabwe today. Much to my dismay much which happens in africa today is still sadly dictated by outer influences, the same thing our forefathers fought for is happening today but in a much smarter sophisticated way, in the old days africa was colonized by means of religion & guns, today its being allowed to be recolonized by the new emerging super powers, by the same people who fought tooth and nail to rid africa of colonisers, through means of money and other illicit incentives, thus compelling the democracy that was fought for to slowly erode away to authotorian rule much worse than that that was administered by the former colonial governments, to put a long story short Swapo needs RDP to keep a balance in power in namibia thus providing protection for you the citizen of namibia from being subjected to a this new form of colonization, RDP needs Swapo for the exact same reasons multi party politics is designed to keep power BALANCED, we need to instill this into each and every citizen by all means campaign, its your constitutional right but for God's sake keep it within the bounds of the constitution both sides at the moment are sayin things that are both unconstitutional as well as undemocratic Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 17. September 2008 at 14:32 Careta2007 and Dai, you guys are very much right that this flag hoisting is a petty argument which did not even deserve headlines. Careta2007 you have said something very interesting: "...today its [Africa] being allowed to be recolonized by the new emerging super powers, by the same people who fought tooth and nail to rid africa of colonisers, through means of money and other illicit incentives, thus compelling the democracy that was fought for to slowly erode away to authotorian rule much worse than that that was administered by the former colonial governments... That is a very interesting analysis you have made, but can you please clarify how you arrived at that conclusion. I don't see it the way you do, especially in the Namibian context, thus if you can provide the basis on which you base your argument, it can be of great help. Furthermore, Namibians in general cherishes their peace, so despite the provocations from few misguided elements, we will not resort to anything that compromises our peace and stability, although that might the wish of our detractors. Careta2007 we are waiting for your clarification... Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? spyl Number Posts: 13 Last Post: 22.10.2008, 17:20 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 17. September 2008 at 14:42 thanks elaeti for telling them, oSWAPO otaikala omu mweyihanga Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? careta2007 Number Posts: 53 Last Post: 11.12.2008, 12:01 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 22. September 2008 at 18:38 Well Elaiti.com I dont need to clarify on this issue as I believe that it is self explanatory all I'll do is highlight a few perfect example of how this recolonisation process is being implemented, let me break it down like boerseun even though I hate his racist ass! 1.We have got Chinese national companies(state) currently competing with our local companies for Government tenders and successfully getting these tenders over our own Namibian companies, if Government were so concerned with the development of all Namibians I don't believe that this would be the case. 2.We have an EPZ in Oshikango that is currently being overrun with Chinese/Indian/Pakistani national companies these same companies are Known to not bank any of the money generated in Namibia in Namibia thus they are stealing wealth from us Namibians, millions by the day 3. Our mothers are competing on the streets with the Chinese when it comes to the sale of Kapana, if u go as far a field as Okongo in the Ohangwena region you will find some or other person of oriental descent conducting business competing with local business people what do the Chinese do for the communities where they do business (NOTHING) 4. they only hire Namibians to do petty casual jobs in their stores at bare minimum wage, Chinese business model [keep the wealth in the family thus only hire people from China] 5. The next time you see a job being advertised by a Chinese company look at the Fine print one of the requirements for a normal petty supervisory job is that the applicant must be fluent in English & Mandarin Chinese (who the #@% speaks mandarin in Namibia) 6. In South Africa the Chinese have already been given BEE status (where were they when our mothers were being whipped,) how long before this comes to Namibia oops its already happening) As you can see the list is pretty long and if I were to continue it would take me all night to complete What I'm trying to point out is that in some or other way deals have been struck between Africa's current leadership and those of these new world powers and these world powers are starting to and will exploit our current leaders by undermining that which we all fought hard for, Fair enough the Chinese did help us during the liberation struggle but please Ive never heard of a Namibian textile company operated by Namibians in China Imagine if those bonded warehouses in Oshikango were built and operated by Namibians, how many namibian construction companies would be thriving, how many namibians would be employed by these 2 great industries in jobs that matter how many millions would be reinvested into the country, how much value will be added to Namibia as a value center of business how much will the state make from revenue collection, how many Namibian products would become marketable on the international market Sadly as you can see its not just about vying for this party or that party its more about what that party can do for its people and more importantly its economy, the natural resources will run out soon as this second wave of the scramble of Africa gains momentum, we will always remain standing with hat in hand looking for handouts when in reality we should be the Richest people on planet earth, what happened to the visions of yesteryear statesmen like Jomo Kenyatta & Kwame Nkrumah the Africa that was meant to be the center of the world? your diamonds are sold in Antwerp ur oil in the US even before its been extracted from the ground if nothing drastic happens we will forever be a continent of beggars AFRICA WAKE UR ON THE NEW COLONIZATION EXPRESS __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 22. September 2008 at 23:24 Careta2007, thanx for clarifying... I have expressed myself under another post of a similar nature, follow this link: Modern colonialisation Now!. To combat modern colonialism / imperialism, we have to vote for the party that is more Pan Africanist, the party that embraces the visions of the Jomo Kenyattas and Kwameh Nkrumahs as you have mentioned them. That party is SWAPO, you are probably aware of that already. Furthermore the SWAPO party is aware that natural resources are infinite. Which is why they have put up policies and programmes to diversify the economy. That is, embarking upon policies to enhance the Secondary and Primary sector of the economy inorder to reduce reliance on the Primary sector. The people's party has recognised that investing into infrastratures and sustainably growing the SME sector, is the key to achieving this, which is why you are seeing the northern railway extension, trans highways, deepining the Walvis bay harbour among others and the encouragement of Developmental finacing banks such as AgriBank, DBN, NDC and the line ministry MTI to sustainably provide more financing to small and medium enterprises. Other policies are being put in place to encourage internal investments of Namibian savings rather than having capital outflow into the South African economy, this is being done by having regislations that requires Pensions funds for example to invest a certain percentage of their money into Namibian unlisted entities. These are just few of the measures to sitimulate the Namibian private sector. When you have a stronger private sector it would be a ble to compete against multi-nationals especialy in the wake of globalization, thus combating modern colonialization. We have realised that, there is a need to closely monitor how the government is implementing policies and manifestos of the SWAPO party. The policies are implemented by people who sometimes become greed and diverty from their given mandate to concentrate on enriching themselves with state resources. The SWAPO party is aware of the dominance of Chinese contractors, because it listens to its people through their representatives such as the NCCI. The SWAPO party is not just there to watch and complain, it is willing and able to intervene in order to address the cries of the people as they have always been doing. The challenges that are facing the people are dynamic, therefore the party is continously repositioning itself and remain robust in making Namibia a winning nation. SWAPO, The People's Smiles, Gives us JOY Re: Is it right for the political parties to mount their flags on trees? careta2007 Number Posts: 53 Last Post: 11.12.2008, 12:01 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 23. September 2008 at 08:41 Elaiti.nam I liked the post that you wrote before in response to that which MYS posted interesting read indeed. but I still believe that even though all these "projects" per say have been put in place they are still in their infancy as boerseun clearly indicated and the pace at which they're being implemented will not result in positive results for us as Namibian citizens, all i wanna bring out is that if we don't kick in an extra gear we'll forever be catching up to whats happenin on the global market, Its saddening that an island like Madagascar has a higher GDP than Namibia the current economic model that were running is counter productive to the vision of the African Renaissance, countries like Spain have nothing but yet they have very very strong economies by merely being service orientated economies. The Industrial revolution is over the quicker we as Africans realize the sooner we'll be able to start making a new impression on how we are perceived in the world. A fool learns from others mistakes ------------------------------------------------------ The models that were adopting now are the same as those that were adopted by other African countries when they achieved their Independence many many years ago and I'm sure that we all know how those pipe dreams ended up right, if this isn't reversed we'll be headed down the same path, as much as i love the Swapo party it breaks me to see what our ruling party's becoming Politicaly intolerance economic sabotage [ don't buy from shops owned by RDP members] character assassinations [former comrades being vilified] corruption sheepish mentality [governors driving 200km to fight over the rights of a tree] Unlike others i wont run and join up with another party as I believe that these things can be tackled internally Swapo needs to shrug of the liberation struggle cobwebs and realign itself as a modern political party, after all its been 18 years since the fall of apartheid the politics of fear will only carry it so far and history has shown that fear eventually turns into resentment and if left going on for too long the people may turn against those that impose fear upon them and ultimately we may end up with egg on our face as is the case in Zimbabwe Post Views: 834 Displaying all 14 posts: © 2009 web.com.na About | Press | Contact & Support | Terms & Conditions| Privacy | Imprint Designed for Namibia