Tuesday, 06.01.2009 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 0 Members, 13 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Tuesday, 06.01.2009, 07:03 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : Political Discussions Displaying posts 1 - 25 of 38 total posts: 1 - 2 - >>> Post Views: 2780 Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 09:48 Erick fires at the boy, Pohamba think it is not acceptable from a cabinet minister, so Pohamba fires Erick than Sam intervenes, Erick re-instated , what does that say about who is calling the shots. I know it was just a report in local papers but" momeva ihamulinyenge muhena okapuka' and for the sake of the report, in my opinion, I concur with the President on this one, this trigger happy behaviors must be discouraged and it is high time that law makers face the law they make. What is the House saying? Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. V.m'boy Number Posts: 187 Last Post: 31.12.2008, 12:34 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 11:00 Is that What happened? Im so surprised by the namibian law. I have no doubt that what Errikk did is totally wrong and Pohamba did well by suspending him. I dont support SWAPO but i always support and believe in the decisions taken by the President. But Unfortunately he fears and respects the big man who offered him the vacancy. Sam, Please go and stay at your farm with your beloved mother, we dont need you anymore coz you have done more than the country needed. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Shindenge Number Posts: 81 Last Post: 03.01.2009, 01:40 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 13:08 Yes, I can see that Nuyoma camp is still dominating the GRN. How possible, on earth, (if it is true) that the State President fires a minister and then the former state president and his camp reinstate him? It seems Tate yoshigwana (Father of the Nation)is still having executive powers in the GRN Definitely he is not done yet. I am convinced that H.E. Pohamba has been since then made a ceremonial president without executive powers, absolutely I am about to believe some rumours I heard that Tatekulu Shafiishuna is contemplating to pave ways for his son to be the next President after the expiry of Pohamba's term. H.E. Pohamba and Hon. Geingob were just put there as tools. Tate yoshigwana (Father of the Nation) should be realistic. When he fired the now RDP interim president (HH) and his deputy, did he consult anyone, or did anybody intervene? Where was Omusati clique by then? I could be politically immature but here, I can see something is really fishy. Please Nuuyoma camp should leash all government executive powers to HE Pohamba, our GRN is not of National Unity or whatever you call it. I rest my point here for a while. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 13:35 We have laws and order in this country. Everybody is not guilty until proven otherwise by the rule of law in this case the court. Pohamba was wrong to fire Nghimtina because Nghimtina is not guilty. Pohamba;s executive power to fire Nghimtina will only depend on the court of law. Therefore, Nuuyoma is right to call a spade a spade i.e. " Nghimtina is not guirty until proven by the law not by the president" to instal Nghimtina and allow for justice when an adult is dealing with kinds, you have to interviene even thought they have their own houses, just to teach them one thing or two. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. EPANGELO Number Posts: 328 Last Post: 02.01.2009, 13:34 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 13:44 Does IIthana Penduken know that we are not fools, she is trying to cover up what Nghimtina did, that meme aaye sorry ngo, she is forever denying the truth, at one point in time she was preaching swapo is now united than ever b4. she should not fool the nation, I personally believe in H.E President Pohamba and his effort to fight corruption, those corrupt minded are still want to keep comrades in corruption you know, nghimtina must just go Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Shindenge Number Posts: 81 Last Post: 03.01.2009, 01:40 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 14:03 Honourable G4u, my arguments in not whether President Pohambma was or not right to fire the Minister. The matter of concern is why Nuyoma Camp overruled the President's decision. Honourable Nghimitima confessed already that he fired at the boy.Wasn't that enough evidence to have him fired? Haven't you read that Captain Endjala, the former Tobias Hainyeko Councillor, was fired or excommunited from SWAPO without being found guilty? Trans Namib CEO was also suspended without charges being formulated. Why it only matters in the case of Hon. Nghimitima who was fired by the president (for that matte who has uninterapted powers to appoint and dismiss ministers? Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 16:33 Shoud i repeat my self? "A true father tends to correct his children even if they are matured enought and have their own housed" got that? Nuuyoma have to interfere when there is a mistake made. It was a wise decision for him to do. You have rdp eyes then you say it rdp way. Therefore, i cannot blame you to whn you call it a Nuyoma camp. On Endjala case, I wonder if I can be of any help to you to understand the whole issue because what i can advice you to do is to go read a SWAPO constitution and you will understand very well how he was shown the gate. That is what the constitution says "You choose a nother party, u r out of SWAPO". There is no charge to be formulated because all that needs to be done is to excomunicate from the part he don/t belong and then allow him to fully participate in the party of interest, that is rdp right? When excomunicated, there is no way he can run the constituency on the SWAPO card, because he does not belong to SWAPO ful point. Anyway, what an imature comparisons, mnr shindenge? please grow up and reason maturery. Peace and Stability Should always prevail in the Land of the Brave! VIVA SWAPO! VIVA NAUYOMA! Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. cput Number Posts: 22 Last Post: 04.09.2008, 17:22 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 17:15 Guys n Girls,is shoooting in the air an offence? Coz Errikk just shoot in the air.or the guy was in the air?i thnk the president was to fast to fire him,and on the other hand i dont think he was right to take that decision on his own. Errik said he just shoot in the air and he is inocent. Compared to Artist who was fight in 2005 (hope u know them), one of them was asking for his gun to shoot in the air to release stress as he said,does that mean he is also guilty? Hope Dr Former is right,and pls lets respect him instead of keeping on saying he must go to his farm, coz he knows wat he is doing! Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. EPANGELO Number Posts: 328 Last Post: 02.01.2009, 13:34 [ View User's Posts ] Thursday, 04. September 2008 at 17:55 Think as a person dear shooting is just a shooting, whether its in the air or what ever direction the main point is the bases or the fundamental reason why the shooting takes place in the first place, now we know who the lagging minister (s) are, so no simplification of the incident to any level please, thats just a normal serious crime nghimtina commited and his excellence is right in the first place nothing more nothing less. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 02:40 Ok, Honorable in this august house, I was observing the proceedings in silence but Honorable CPUT forced me to intervene. It is now clear that the Minister fired a shot amid argument involving opposition party, Hnr. CPUT you are right, it is not a crime to fire a shot in air outside a municipal area, but what was the circumstances that lead to the shot( this is called attempted murder if you dont know which is literally defined as use of weapon to conspire fear onto to victim) in this case I can only imagine how traumatized the boy was. The other point worth looking at is, will it be advisable/acceptable for a NUDO member to fire in the air at a DTA rally for example? What we are trying to point out is the behavior of the minister in question, the consequences and influence it might have on his followers etc. Unacceptable, finish and claar. Resigning would have been the most honorable thing to do, but now that he did it in the interest of the ruling party, mhnnnnnnnn... Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. PhD Unity Number Posts: 4 Last Post: 05.09.2008, 10:07 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 09:48 G4U. did u read the whole forum or did u just read the heading and then decided to comment. Its a good thing that you pointed out that "Everybody is not guilty until proven otherwise by the rule of law in this case the court." tell me in which court of law was Hidipo Hamutenya and Kaire Mbuende proven guilty for that matter. Let me remind you that the president has the right to appoint and dismiss. Did Former president provide the public or the cabinet with the basis of suspending HH and KM. Lets stop this thing of turning a blind eye and deaf ear to matters that involve democracy and justice. Nobody is above the LAW! Let justice take its course...PERIOD [Post edited by: PhD Unity on 05/9/08 10:15 AM] Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. PhD Unity Number Posts: 4 Last Post: 05.09.2008, 10:07 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 10:07 So if nuyoma must intervene. Are u now trying to tell me that Pohamba does'nt have full executive powers to make decisions of that magnitude. Is nuyoma the presidents advisorer, if yes then make it known to the publlic Well, i also say that u made an immature comparison, coz as far as i'm concerned Pohamba is not Sam's son. Why is it so that u have this greed of stayin in power forever. Stop being in support of unjust and unconstitutional acts. Namibia doesn't only have 1 political party? U always get to talk of RDP-is it because its more of a challenge to the apparent victorious SWAPO party or what? Why dont u try and lead by the example of Botswana, even if never underwent a political struggle. I think u must start reading and listening critically. I 'll advice u to start reading the political column of Gwen Lister(the namibian, every friday)-then u 'll understand what real democracy and justice should be like. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 10:41 Was he fired and got re-instated? Aaaye, my people why this all this Ngwangwan?You should know by now that that whole article was crap. Read today's Gwen Lister's column and come back to me . The shooting Shooting at someone is offcoarse not allowed, but to say Nghimtina's was attempted murder is taking things out proportion for political reasons. Nghimtina is a trained soldier, if He wanted to really shoot at the boy He could not have missed. Betrayal Remember that Nghimtina is one of the three, that are taken to the International Court of Justice with Nujoma by Phill yaNangolo's NSHR. Today we are witnessing how NSHR is campaigning for RDP and how yaNangolo's propaganda pamphlets are distributed at RDP rallies. Now for the boy to support a party that is in coalition with people who are taking his uncle to some court in Europe is simply inconsiderate. Na tuli puleni nawa. Oshiwana shi he shi apa ta shidi osha fa olweendo la tumba li hefi apa lauka. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:01 Thank you for attempting to convince me you read the whole forum. unfortunatly, you did not read my contribution. There are two different issues concerning firing and hiring. At political party level, the contitution in this case SWAPO's contititution, (some political parties do not have such anyway), is clear on at what ground should one meber be excommunicated from the party. This is done throught thoughly examination (meaning CIA aslo involved). Since there is no legal offence for anybody to participate or go against SWAPO, there is no need for a rule of law. What is done is to give a fellow Namibian a freedom to go/leave SWAPO and go practice those acts he feel are good for him outside SWAPO. That is the motive behing expursion of all those snakes from the Party of the Nations. Since they were occupying the party seats, they have to evacuate them in the same vein and let my Fellow Compatriots to continue serving us. I should remind you that, Pohamba has no ground of dismissing Nghimtina in the ground of firing as this involves legal and is not a political stand alone issue. On Dr Nuuyoma consulting who, when he suspend who, you cannot realy know becasue you are not one of us therefore, the decision was made collectively throught the SWAPO ranks. I am sure you do not want to hear it, but it was a collective decision on the party side. So, mnr phd unit, this kind of political understandings are the simplest one and for you not to understand them makes me wonder where you are going with those little brain of yours. My advice to you is to go out there, consult the library, and read more on politics. you will defently arm yourself with views that may be usefull for this forum. As for now, you have no idea of what is going on. I rest my case. Peace and Stability always plz ppl. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:15 Nuuyoma did not intervine, he just did what we call "correcting a situation" or "to put something right". On the son issue, i want to repeat myself that, your brain is tooo tiny that even a simple phrase make u trumble. Why we have pople with vigilant brains,is to correct where we go wrong. No body is perfect and is very wise of Nuuyoma to correct Pohamba where he went wrong. In this case, to let the law take its course on Nghimtina. To me this is purely a court case and for the president all he was suppose to do is to wait patiently until Nghimtina is found guilty before he pass his own judgement. Is that too much difficult for you to understand? I want to remind you of the result of Eenhana election where rdp claimed is their head quarter and the results proved them otherwise. With this i want to officially inform you that, there is no political party which is a challege to SWAPO at the moment. Just get used to fact. Another this, the collum you are tellilng me to read is more on side then cetral. It is from what you read that make you reasons very imperfect. Namibia is democratic country, that is what SWAPO choosen in 1990, therefore, we cannot allow any political party to impose a leader on us (you gave an example of Botswana), without election. therefore, we are not a dictatorship country, we elect. So maybe tell me something beter than that. Again, please start debating with ppl from different backgrounds to understand this very very simple political issues. It will make you a beter debator. But for now, nagh! u are the worst. Peace and Stability in the Land of the Braves, always. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. 16volve Number Posts: 9 Last Post: 03.11.2008, 09:00 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:33 Its quite possible that Pohamba fired him and Nujoma intervened. G4U the president have the right vested in him by the constitution to fire any minister anytime. Pohamba don't need Nghimtina to be found guilty in order to fire him, but as long as the president don't have trust in that minister he can fire him any time. Who found Hidipo, Bweunde and Geingob gulty when Dr Nujoma fired them. Get real bra, that was an attempt murder and he need to be brought to book. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:35 Extract from Gwen Lister's Collumn today Friday, September 5, 2008 - Web posted at 8:27:16 AM GMT Political Perspective GWEN LISTER ..."The sequence of events roughly seems to be that President Pohamba, in the presence of other senior Government/Swapo hierarchy, rebuked the Minister for his action (and the latter is said to have maintained he simply 'fired shots in the air' and did not take aim at his nephew!) and that was thought to be the end of the subject until someone forgot to inform the Police. They in turn called to interview the Minister, who immediately took umbrage, possibly thought he was about to be arrested, and submitted his resignation (which he is later said to have withdrawn) in a fit of pique! When the media went after the story, which was the talk of the town in both Swapo and RDP ranks, officialdom at State House and elsewhere claimed they knew nothing. This was not helpful at all regarding the reportage of the issue, and although the media got the substance right, the sequence of events that unfolded thereafter may have been slightly out of kilter" . . Now tell me if you can rely on the Namibian newspaper. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:47 Gwen is blaming the government for not telling them what is really going on. So they decided to invent their own story of firing and the Nujoma / Pendukeni's involvement. That is an admission from the editor. Are we going to see an apology from this newspaper for the damage they caused. I used to have a lot of respect for Gwen Lister despite our differences of opinions, but lately she turned her very respected Newspaper into a propaganda pamphlet. She brought up an sms page which persumably is for all people to express themselves, but pro-SWAPO smses are not published or distorted to either sound stupid or to have an unintended meaning. [Post edited by: Elaeti.nam on 05/9/08 11:50 AM] Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:48 Go back and reread my post. Political cases and legal cases are different. I said to me it is a legal case then a political case. and is wise if he can be tryied by the rule of law. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 11:53 Is not only you my fellow comrade who loose interest in that propagada newspaper. me to i did long time ago. and i ma sure a lot of ppl have lost interest in it. What i realized is that, this kind of informants as they call themselves, they always try to bring in ppl they don't like in cases. what does Nghimtinas firing have to do with Pendukeni? haw can she get involved in that? shame, is time for our fellow Namibian to grow up, just once and get real. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. G4u Number Posts: 118 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 11:37 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 12:02 Ehokolol lyokutya Nuuyoma was involved olya zi peni hano? Shame Namibians! Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Friday, 05. September 2008 at 12:13 It is really a shame. They simply invented Nujoma's involvement, that is what they are good at. Do you remember how they brought Nujoma's name in the AVID case, which did a lot of damage to his reputation? That paper has turned into a propaganta pamphlet. Namibians must be vigilant, we must not allow ourselves to be confused by people with hidden agentas. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Sacramento Number Posts: 341 Last Post: 06.01.2009, 03:39 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 07. September 2008 at 04:18 It is a big mistake if you ever try and hide info from the media, this is because media will report the story anyway, they will come up with things like " according to a well placed source" etc, So, it is important to talk to the press that way you will be able to challenge the report against what you have said. If you say there is nothing, while it is clear that there is something, well, it will be difficult to blame the press if they decide to report according to their sources. Any ways, that’s why I said at the beginning that it was just a report in the paper, however, the only fact that emanate from all of this is that Erick fired a shot(s) amid political argument and for me that is the kind of behavior I find not acceptable because not only it is criminal but it can create a dangerous precedence, especially by a cabinet minister, Africa will always remain behind, in a free world, the minister could have jumped even before he was pushed, the moment he admitted that the incident really took place. G4u Let’s cool it down no need to be personal but this is what I think: I agree with you that SWAPO is so powerful that they will win the next election with easy, this is because the electoral is mostly rural, do not vote for policies and has little understanding of the Constitution ( do you know that there are those who are not giving water already? Who feel very betrayed by those who joined RDP for example) rural communities vote for a party (otherwise SWANU would have been the official opposition, they have the most pro-poor policies and we all know that those rural areas are the most hit by poverty) Mark my word, SWAPO will have difficulties to win in urban consistencies comes 2009. This is not necessarily because SWAPO has bad policies or lost vision as alleged, but could be attributed to its approach toward the oppositions; we have seen of late bad behaviors from SOME but very senior swapo stewards. Why all the name calling, do you honestly thing that men like HH and Uulenga would just cease to be heroes simply because they formed political parties? Tell me. Back to the topic; do you perhaps what to visit the definition of what may constitute attempted murder? Some body said Erick was a soldier and if he wanted to kill the boy he could have done it, of coz that would have been murder. Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. Shindenge Number Posts: 81 Last Post: 03.01.2009, 01:40 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 07. September 2008 at 07:41 Shindenge writes to Sacramento:- Hon. Sacramanto, you seem to be politically mature. Your political perspectives are really impressive and enjoyable. The best thing is that you call spade a SPADE and you don't show any allegiance to any Political Party. You are a good politician on this platform. The same credit goes to other MPs of this august house who contribute constructively to this forum. You guys are so educative. Only that I don't have authority, otherwise I could solicit for you to become councillors, MPs or even Ministers... LOL Re: Pohamba fires Nghimtina, Sam re-instate him mhnnnnnnn.. 0Byte Number Posts: 331 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 17:14 [ View User's Posts ] Sunday, 07. September 2008 at 08:11 Shindenge Yeah u are ri8 man about Sacramento, His posts are really cool here, he is not bias at all neither favoring any political party. Though am not into political stuffs i don't miss his posts here. Go on ahead people....and to those too much loose in your mouth here is an example! Zero-Byte Continue to next page: >>> Post Views: 2780 Displaying posts 1 - 25 of 38 total posts: 1 - 2 - >>> © 2009 web.com.na About | Press | Contact & Support | Terms & Conditions| Privacy | Imprint Designed for Namibia