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Swanu
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| Tuesday, 13. December 2011 at 10:53 |
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WINDHOEK –The Namibian Police and Windhoek City Police had to intervene in a near fist fight involving editor of Namibia Today, Asser Ntinda, and suspected members of the Rally for Democracy and Progress (RDP) at the weekend.
Eyewitnesses say at least four members of the group were armed with pistols. Confirming the incident, Ntinda said: “Among those who had pistols was Hidipo Hamutenya’s driver.”
The emotionally charged confrontation occurred on Saturday after a group of people, wearing RDP caps, arrived at Ntinda’s business outlet, located at Single Quarters in Katutura.
The confrontation, which Deputy Chief of the City Police Gerry Shikesho, described as ‘politically motivated’, comes hot on the heels of recent heated verbal exchanges between Ntinda and RDP President Hidipo Hamutenya.
And it was fairly evident that the exchanges between Hamutenya and Ntinda were the mother of Saturday’s incident, eyewitnesses said.
“We were informed of people confronting each other and we visited the scene,” Shikesho, who himself was at the scene, told New Era.
“We soon realised that it was a political confrontation and we wanted our involvement to be impartial and as minimal as possible,” the City Police deputy chief said.
He said members of the City Police, who joined hands with the Namibian Police to contain the unruly mob of about a dozen RDP supporters, were at the scene for 40 minutes.
Ntinda, who in recent weeks has been reporting on the content of a report of the presidential commission of inquiry in which Hamutenya was a respondent, said the provocation was a trap against him.
“These guys wanted me to play into their hands. I think they wanted me to overreact,” he said.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, an eyewitness told New Era: “The RDP group was seen caucusing earlier at one stall.”
He added: “They arrived at Asser’s stall one by one and they were insulting. They were not drunk. They knew what they were doing.”
The feud between Ntinda and Hamutenya, who worked closely during the latter’s time in Swapo, reached new highs when the RDP president recently claimed Ntinda was a founding member of the official opposition party.
In a hard-hitting response, Ntinda rubbished Hamutenya’s claims and vowed to expose the supposed dirty dealings of the RDP president during his time as a Swapo leader.
“If he thought he would silence me by making such allegations against me, he made a faulty step which, as always, would boomerang,” Ntinda said then.
“I will, from now on concentrate on the proceedings of the public hearings of the Presidential Commission of Inquiry and cut him down to his legitimate size,” the veteran journalist said.
Ntinda claims that the RDP members, whose alleged provocation he compared to those displayed by Koevoet and SWATF in 1989, issued threats against him.
“They said they know where I stay and this was not the end of it,” he said.
The RDP Secretary for Information and Publicity, Jeremiah Nambinga, yesterday said he was not aware of the incident and would therefore not comment on it.
http://www.newera.com.na/article.php?articleid=42101&title=NHE needs N$1bln
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Boerseun
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I quote: "....Ntinda claims that the RDP members, whose alleged provocation he compared to those displayed by Koevoet and SWATF in 1989, issued threats against him. "
Now, once again, what the furk has this issue got in common with Koevoet and SWATF actions more tha 20 years ago (at a time when both Koevoet and SWATF were organs of the legitimate government, and swapo a criminal terrorist orginisation)
This kind of public statement by Ntinda should be seen as "inciting racial dis-harmony and/or racial hate speech"
Having some beef with current BLACK political rivals (and former allies, at that!) can in no way be use to launch yet another attack at the "coroniar regime", and by implication white people.
Then this stupid Kaffir Ntinda and just about every other person in Namibia blaming and comparing all evils with coroniar regime is "surprised" that we white people still hate blacks....????
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Lenga2030
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Namibian journalists – New Era journalists in particular – are miserable.
They allow themselves to be used and abused for cheap propaganda purposes.
The reporter was told about an “RDP mod” confronting Ntinda, but the poor fellow did not demand any further evidence. How do we know they are “RDP mob”? Wearing a T-shirt with the colors of a particular party does not make one a member of that party. RDP T-shirts are freely available and can be obtained by any one.
Here are the reasons for my suspicions:
1. No one was positively identified;
2. No one was arrested;
3. No one was harmed in the process.
For anyone well informed, the alleged incident would seem more like a false flag operation where Ntinda organized some literally poor guys, dressed them up as an “RDP mob” and ordered them to “confront” him at his shebeen.
Such tricks are as old as political warfare itself and I wonder why political journalists are not careful enough when reporting on such kinds of “allegations”.
We know for example that during the liberation struggle SADF members dressed up like PLAN fighters to commit atrocities and attribute them to SWAPO;
We also know that FAA soldiers dressed up like UNITA and attacked French nationals in Caprivi, fooling Nujoma into believing that does atrocities were committed by UNITA. Nujoma’s reaction was to close the Angola-Namibia border, ordering the security forces to “shoot to kill” any one attempting to cross the border (by the way, that was exactly the intended outcome of the FAA operation).
So, here we have Ntinda fooling New Era and using the same old false flag tactics. Why?
It is because he wants to create an impression of being an innocent victim of the “RDP mob”. He needs your sympathy and solidarity.
We know for sure that SWAPO supporters at the Single Quarters (who are the majority by the way) would have intervened; they normally do not tolerate RDP T-shirts in that part of the world. That nobody came to Ntinda’s rescue means either that SWAPO supporters in the vicinity already what was going on, or Ntinda is so unpopular among SWAPO supporters so much so that nobody is willing to defend him.
More suspicious, however, is the the way the alleged incident at Ntinda’s shebeen is reported in New Era. “Facts” from the alleged incident are presented on a 50/50 basis with the unrelated war of words between Ntinda and HH, creating an impression that the alleged confrontation at the shebeen was related to Ntinda’s reports on HH.
NTINDA: “If he thought he would silence me by making such allegations against me, he made a faulty step which, as always, would boomerang.”
MY COMMENT: Well, let Ntinda sue HH. That is what he promised to do. But with the introduction of this new “RDP mob” allegations, it seems Ntinda is trying to divert our attentions away from the promised court case. Is it because it will never materialize?
NTINDA: “I will, from now on concentrate on the proceedings of the public hearings of the Presidential Commission of Inquiry and cut him down to his legitimate size.”
MY COMMENT: That means Ntinda has a stolen copy of the classified document and we all know that stealing State secrets is a serious felony. But being a SWAPO “veteran journalist” Ntinda must have some kind of immunity.
Let me tell you this: people may start demanding that the document be declassified and made available to all (instead of being quoted selectively by Ntinda) or that ntinda be arrested for stealing State secrets. Just wait and see!
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Swanu
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Basically both HH and Ntinda are trying to fool the fools.
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Ondjamba
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accusation is common among politiciens. they go to bars get themselve drunk, misbehave and they got themselve thorough beaten, before you know it they run to the media and blame the rival party members. same with immoral act (Wendelinus Hamutenya) got beaten by some people who think they are above the law with the intention of preventing moral decay. rival musician do it as well.
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Black Revolutionary--(MMB)
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| Wednesday, 14. December 2011 at 13:09 |
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@Boerseun, stop living in denial. SWAPO was never a terrorist organization
stop labelling our "liberation struggle" terrorism, those that came from their
continents and came to invade others are the terrorists
I don't support HH, but why Asser Ntinda pick fights if he cant handle them?
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Opportunist
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Black Revolutionary--(MMB): "SWAPO was never a terrorist organization..."
MMB, read this and tell me if SWAPO has acted the same way:
"Terrorism has been described variously as both a tactic and strategy; a crime and a holy duty; a justified reaction to oppression and an inexcusable abomination. Obviously, a lot depends on whose point of view is being represented. Terrorism has often been an effective tactic for the weaker side in a conflict. As an asymmetric form of conflict, it confers coercive power with many of the advantages of military force at a fraction of the cost. Due to the secretive nature and small size of terrorist organizations, they often offer opponents no clear organization to defend against or to deter."
http://www.terrorism-research.com/
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Black Revolutionary--(MMB)
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| Wednesday, 14. December 2011 at 14:32 |
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White people wrote that to justify their barbaric acts toward black people
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Swanu
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@Opportunist
Are the American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan terrorists?
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Lenga2030
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SWANU: “Basically both HH and Ntinda are trying to fool the fools.”
MY COMMENT: That is possibly true!
ONDJAMBA: “accusation is common among politiciens.”
MY COMMENT: That is so true (even when the word “politician” is spelled incorrectly).
ONDJAMBA: “they go to bars get themselve drunk, misbehave and they got themselve thorough beaten, before you know it they run to the media and blame the rival party members.”
MY COMMENT: That is what happen sometimes, but is not always the case. There is something called “intimidation” and it is real, not just imaginary.
ONDJAMBA: “same with immoral act (Wendelinus Hamutenya) got beaten by some people who think they are above the law with the intention of preventing moral decay. rival musician do it as well.”
MY COMMENT: I am not well informed about that; so I do not know what you are talking about.
MMB: “@Boerseun, stop living in denial. SWAPO was never a terrorist organization.”
MY COMMENT: SWAPO was definitely a terrorist organization. Denying that is a sign of ignorance. Any serious revolutionary movement has to go through a terrorist phase of the struggle and SWAPO was no exception.
MMB: “stop labelling our "liberation struggle" terrorism,”
MY COMMENT: You are confusing two different things here: “liberation struggle” denotes what SWAPO was fighting for; “terrorist” denotes the methods used in that struggle. And you can not deny that SWAPO used terrorist tactics without exposing yourself as blatantly ignorant civilian.
MMB: “those that came from their continents and came to invade others are the terrorists.”
MY COMMENT: Do I have to remind you again that terrorism denotes the tactics not the objective one is fighting for? Planting a bomb in a butchery; planting a bomb in a bank; destroying bridges; planting landmines, assassinating alleged puppets … those are all terrorist acts, no matter whether done by SADF or PLAN.
OPPORTUNIST: “MMB, read this and tell me if SWAPO has acted the same way …”
MY COMMENT: Well, I do not know how old MMB is, but if he is old enough he can not deny that SWAPO acted that way. Even the so-called “no-go areas” are a form of terrorism.
MMB: “White people wrote that to justify their barbaric acts toward black people.”
MY COMMENT: That is absurd and that is to be expected coming as it does from someone who qualifies acts depending, not on the act itself, but on the skin color of the perpetrator. This way, an act that is considered a terrorist act when committed by a person of certain skin color would cease to be a terrorist act when committed by a person of a different skin color.
I repeat: that is absurd!
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Ondjamba
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@Lenga2030
you mean you do not know who is Wendelinus Hamutenya or what happened to him? if that is the case let me update you. Mr WH was RDP CANDIDATE in regional council election and is our very own Mr gay Namibia 2011 and he is going to represent 'them' at Mr gay world. He was beaten recently(last week informante) he said that its Swapo youth member, who see Dr Sam Nujoma as their idol- who beat him because Dr Sam N is always against gay(Iilumwanufu)people,
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Lenga2030
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SWANU: "@Opportunist, are the American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan terrorists?"
MY COMMENT: That is a valid question. I hope Opportunist will try to respond, but in the meantime let me try this …
I know that propagandists use the word “terrorist/terrorism” recklessly, but I also know that there are minimum objective conditions that must be met for an act to qualify as a "terrorist act":
1. It must be a deliberate act;
2. It must be part of a policy;
3. It must be intended to intimidate, to harass, to suppress, etc;
4. It must be against unarmed civilians.
SOME EXAMPLES
- When armed guerrillas enter a farm and assassinate the farm-owner, with the sole objective of “sending a strong message” to the Government, then that act is a terrorist act.
- When government soldiers enter a rural village, assassinate an elderly woman as a “warning to others” who allegedly provide food to the “terrorists”, then that is terrorism;
- When a group of guerrillas attack a military base close to a town and several civilians are killed in the cross fire, then that act is not a terrorist act.
- When a navy ship fires a cruise missile against a military target, misses the target and hits a neighborhood killing several civilians, that is not a terrorist act;
- When a suicide bomber detonates a bomb at a market place killing himself and many other innocent people, that is a terrorist act.
In short: the word terrorism or terrorist has nothing to do with skin color; it has nothing to do with what one is fighting for. Unfortunately, some uninformed fellows mistakenly think that calling SWAPO “terrorist” means SWAPO did not fight for independence and freedom. Such thinking is typical of a misinformed small mind.
Back to the question: I don't know whether American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are terrorists or not but checking their actions against the list i provided above, can help reach a honest conclusion.
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Lenga2030
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Thank you very much Ondjamba,
I am aware that a certain Hamutenya, who is an RDP member, recently won a Mr Gay contest. That is all. I did not know he was assaulted afterwards. I missed last week's informante and missed that valuable piece of information. That goes to show how important our diverse newspapers are. Each newspaper brings a piece that makes the Namibian picture complete.
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2loxy
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if you still call black people kaffirs (sometimes i wonder how it would all have been if people just remained in their land/continent of origin),you have a makakunya mentality,and they are no more (not sayin one should dwell in the past either,coz its a stumbling block to the future)....start over,ounyuni opo owa tembukapo yee...so anyway, nobody pokes a beehive and not be ready for the stings...let them dudes deal with/eat their beef ... politics suck and they are kinda run by "demented folks" at times,thats just the nature of the beast...settle that and let it sink...so maybe we can just let the JUST-US SYSTEM ,i mean justice system handle it..jst sayin ayt,nth personal...
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Lenga2030
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2loxy: "if you still call black people kaffirs ... you have a makakunya mentality."
MY COMMENT: Makakunyas were Black soldiers serving the colonial regime. I don't think they called themselves or each other kaffirs. So, calling black people kaffirs can not be a makakunya mentality. it is rather an apartheid/white supremacist mentality.
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2loxy
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| Monday, 19. December 2011 at 14:14 |
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lol,lenga oshinamumwe waa...tangi keyelifo...okambulu okalunduka oko
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Lenga2030
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2loxy: "lol,lenga oshinamumwe waa...tangi keyelifo...okambulu okalunduka oko."
MY COMMENT: ita ka kala inaka lunduka shaashi ... 21 years after independence, some people are still feeding on the now-rotten crumbs that fell off apartheid's dinner table.
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2loxy
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| Tuesday, 20. December 2011 at 08:19 |
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lol...osho nee osho, until we change our mindsets,no change will come...
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Boerseun
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@2loxy,
Change came more than 20 years ago.
Maybe you should ask "What good came from that change".....
Like trains falling off the (colonial) tracks due to 2 decades of neglect, dayly lawsuits against the Ministery of Home Affairs because they are too incompetent to do their job, useless education and healthcare.......etc etc.
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Lenga2030
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Yes Boerseun, there was change 21 years ago. That change was from being a colony into being an Independent State; from soci--economic segratation based on the skin color to (surprise! surprise!) socio-economic segregation based on political afiliation.
In reality there was no RADICAL change. In practice, we only replaced the old White rulers with new Black rulers but left intact a socio-economic system that is based on segregation.
So, we need real change NOW!
Oh, of course not under the same traitors ... puppets who are there only to make Chinese neo-colonialists happy.
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2loxy
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the thing is...you can't separate a man from his words..they are his mindset,picture of life,and character...sooo now we can tel in which era one is in, depending on what they are saying...if change has come,how come people are still clinging to the broken chains??? its like a person refusing to walk out of an open prison cell...he aint a prisoner no more but he rejects change/freedom...now you want to tell me just because "change" has come it has been embraced by all ?liberty/bondage/superiority/inferiority....... is of the mind and your mouth voices it out, whats inside has to come out at some time...thats why a change of MINDSETS is vital when it comes to CHANGE to align one's thinking with the new....nenge ototi ngeipi Lenga waa?
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Lenga2030
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2LOXY: " ... change of MINDSETS is vital ..."
MY COMMENT: Those words are music to my heart. They perfectly reflect what i meant when I talked about RADICAL change. What we did so far was replacing
A White ruler who only cared about people of a certain skin color
with
A Black ruler who cares only about people of a certain political persuation.
Namibians deserve better than that!
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2loxy
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yeah...:) ,division of any form has never done any good...
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THE MIGHTY CARETA
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Now My Question to you haters is what are you prepared to do to foster or bring about this change as the old saying goes talk is cheap and thats all oe gets on this here forum, while you idly sit here and debate like old african chiefs under a tree Boerboys making millions then you blame all your problems on his forefathers and your elected leaders the problem lies with you all ! ! !
been makin millions too Ti's the season to be making that paper hence my silence on this useless forum
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Lenga2030
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Hi TMC,
Welcome back!
These forums are for TALKING, right? That is why people who come here just talk.
Action can not take place on web.com.na.
So, it is unfair to say people are just talking. Even people who post between 5 and 10 posts per day can not be accused of just talking because those posts do not even represent 0.001% of a person's daily activities.
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