Tuesday, 06.01.2009 - Welcome to web.com.na! Online: 2 Members, 12 Guests You are not logged in! Home | Forums   Forum Your last visit was: Tuesday, 06.01.2009, 04:54 [ Search Forum ] Forum Home : Namibia : Political Discussions Displaying posts 1 - 25 of 48 total posts: 1 - 2 - >>> Post Views: 4555 HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP EPANGELO Number Posts: 328 Last Post: 02.01.2009, 13:34 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. February 2008 at 02:52 As a peace loving citizen of the Namibian soil who believes in the spirit of unity and brotherhood I am shocked by the opinion of our right honourable prime minister Nahas Angula regarding the formation and existence of the Rally for Democracy and Progress (RDP). But before I go that far I would like to state it categorically clear to the fellow members that I have no contempt with the PM and that my opinions is with regards to his as published In Newera, Friday, 15 February 2008, heading ‘‘ Threat Posed By Ethnic Political Entrepreneurship in Namibia: Part 2” The right honourable PM in his opinion started with the negative campaign as it was in full force in 2004. If it was there and he knows for sure what assure him today that such attitude is now out of SWAPO? Mysterious leadership lists, does the PM aware that the originality of that lists was not made by those that are today RDP leaders? If he said such a list is difficult to quantify, why those that appear in the list did not voted in favour and some are still victimized even up to date? The right honourable PM further states that negative campaign exhorted regional delegates not to vote for this or that candidate and that was usually from different regions? Mr PM do you think such tactics were played by RDP leaders? Remember your Omusati clique, if we to take tribalism and regionalism in this context into consideration does the PM knows that he is self contradictory? Some where in the last quarter of 2007 or so it was the PM with Mr Evilastus Kaaronda throwing words to one another I was doubting who might be wrong so I did n’t go that far with it, to interlink that event with the latest PM ‘s opinion, the question arise what leadership credibility does our right honourable PM Mr Nahas Angula have? Is he now changing to be PM of tribalism? The Kwanyama factor Mr PM did you forget how to campaign for your party? Your personal attacks to Mr Jesaya Nyamu in particular and to the entire Kwanyamas in general is a pure insult accompanied by the power of tribalism and hatred did you know that Mr PM? What is the driving force behind for you to go to the old historical background of the Oshikwanyama speaking namibians? Which tribe is next among the 7 tribes of Ovambos or was that only applicable to Kwanyamas? It seems the right hon. PM have no respect to the president and to the majorities of the Ovakwanyama community that are members of the SWAPO party. Do you Mr PM? Can the PM explain to the nation what is the difference between his opinion and to that article which was published somewhere in 2005/6 labelling kwanyamas to be not Namibians? PM take note that you can not divide us through your poorly designed political campaign. Of course you are not wrong Mr PM because your loyalty to SWAPO is today measured against how good you are at attacking RDP, the more you do it the best you are to SWAPO, but honestly speaking you mess up the point Mr PM. Until when should the signal be clear to the SWAPO leaders that are having the mentality, that RDP is for Kwanyamas, come to an end? The party carry out its rallies in different regions and is still continuing doing so at those rallies is it only kwanyamas? I wonder. What about those parties that never have a rally in the north but just concentrate in their ethnic origin? Are they not the one to be called tribal parties? PM please stop panicking about RDP. Many of us are ashamed by our beloved PM Nahas. As a PM who is a ware of the poverty in Ohangwena region what is your plan of action? Or you are just quiet preaching your tribal points SWAPO’s confusion Everybody can today tell how confused some of the SWAPO leaders are Grade 10 learners so far is the blunder of the year of the SWAPO party, it’s a fact, no doubt The recent SWAPO rally at Eenana forcing the Police to allow them to have theirs on the same day, thanks to the Police to their total rejection, who think who are they? PM ‘s opinion a very big blunder in his personal capacity promoting tribalism and hatred among Namibian with no respect to the head of state Tate Pohamba, a leader calling others as a political prostitute what a mess, a leadership course is needed in this regard. The operation mechanism is lost within the party, one is just publishing his/her opinion without consulting other, Please Tate Pohamba control them and tell them that RDP is a small child they should not panic like that, their bread is still guaranteed, RDP is not greedy, the party will share the cake proportionally The amicable solution To the young one we all know what is happening in this country, our leaders are now planting the seeds of tribalism and hatred amongst us, please do not let this seeds to germinate into you, those of you who believes in SWAPO/RDP or what ever go for your party and be friendly to your brothers and sisters in other parties as well. We should not be used by these tribelist individuals for their selfishness momentum. But however such believes already have roots to some of the Namibian youths, how can we get rid off tribal believes in our future generation. I am of the opinion that we need a constitutional amendments that can only allow two political parties to exist in Namibia, the Namibian ppl will then divide themselves between the two, if one party is misbehaving then it will be voted out of power no excuse, such a democratic system will definitely eradicate the power of tribalism building up in our community, What do you guys think of a two party democratic system in Namibia? More still to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 United we stand, divided we fall EPANGELO Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP miss thang Number Posts: 54 Last Post: 01.11.2008, 20:46 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. February 2008 at 18:49 I honestly don't know much about politics, but the way things are going in Namibia is quite scary, we don't even know who to vote for in the coming elections.It is very disturbing to have people in high posts such as the PM with such attitudes.I have noticed that many SWAPO members really treat other people badly and give them insulting and disrespectful names because they have the mentality that Namibia is theirs and theirs alone...I understand that SWAPO brought us independence and we are definitely great full for that, but does that mean that we should now just sit back and worship them even when they are exploiting us? another question I have is does the word "elders"only refer to the elders in SWAPO because nowadays, young SWAPO members are insulting elders in other political parties and that seem to be fine.please people let us treat all the elders with the kind of respect they all deserve, whether they are SWAPOs, RDPs, CODs or whatever, I am a young Namibian who has never voted before but I will be able to vote in the coming elections, however I do not want to vote because I don't know who to vote for. Initially it was all SWAPO and my parents will probably want me to vote for it but I am having my doubts because of SWAPOs activities and behaviours. I am especially disturbed by the fact that there are people that are trying to bring tribalism in the country.. please someone must do something about these people because we don't want war... If there is anyone out there who can direct me in some direction political wise please do so because you might just end up gaining one vote for your party already.... you must give me realistic reasons not visions of 1000 years from now onwards and please use simple English not confusing, dictionary words..... thank you Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Goddy Number Posts: 96 Last Post: 04.12.2008, 14:23 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. February 2008 at 20:19 Dear Comrade Epangelo, I full agree with you on the matter concerning the article published on 15 February 2008 in the GRN newspaper. The article apparently written by Citizen Nahas Angula. In my view, Citizen Nahas Angula violated the fundamental norm and ethinical rights of entire Ovakwanyama. I don't want to repeat what Epangelo already said coz maybe he even did good search on that article than me. I just want to further state that, Citizen Nahas Angula insulted even the President of the country and other prominet Ovakwanyama members of the SWAPO party. I'm now confident that, if more Namibians will continue to write like Citizen Nahas Angula then, we will end up climbing on one another. I cannot tolerate freedom of opinion based on negative historical citings. I knew when he wrote, he had a simple historical book in front of him but he even failed to cite that book. I suppose to reply first against an article of Citizen Nahas Angula but i don't like argument based on few knowledges. Let me make it clear to Citizen Nahas Angula that, the history of Ovakwanyama written by the same people colonised Ovambo at that time. I don't want to comment on behalf of RDP as an official registered political party in Namibia but making wrong conclusion like Citizen Nahas Angula that, RDP is an ethinical project, too much of hypothesis than reality. I'm warning Citizen Nahas Angula and other frustrated SWAPO members not to touch me and violate my right as a human being. Anyone want to lecture Ovakwanyama's history can do so but not in the connection with RDP. It is very sad that even the so called intellectuals are omitting like ordinary citzens. Citizen Nahas Angula should go back to University to complete his PhD and learn just one more term "Demoracy". I thought, he spend much time thinking about his post and the country but he is just thinking of how to destroy RDP and Ovakwanyama tribe. What a Citzen Nahas Angula we have? Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP nambili Number Posts: 67 Last Post: 04.01.2009, 17:49 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. February 2008 at 21:06 Nahas Angula is one of the SWAPO leaders that I personally hold in high regard. However, he has confused me with his writings and question whether this is really his own work. However, I must admit that I have judged the character of the man on what he says and hardly on anything he has written, maybe he's just not a good writer. I wouldn't even bother to respond because almost every point of his is questionable. I cannot speak for other Kwanyamas but when people mention Kwnayamas everyday, it has made me become more aware that I am a Kwanyama and that my being a Kwanyama can have bearing on my interactions with non-Kwanyamas. So I think, mentioning tribalism -especially pointing fingers at certain tribes -promotes tribalism even more. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Goddy Number Posts: 96 Last Post: 04.12.2008, 14:23 [ View User's Posts ] Monday, 18. February 2008 at 23:07 Nambili! It is good that, you have demonstrated your friendship to Citizen Nahas Angula publically and we respect your stage as far as this matter is concerned. Let me make it clear to you, none of these politicians can fight tribalims. They have now proofed themselves. We only have to get prepared for the an outcome of any incident to happen in the near future. Innocent Ovakwanyamas being humiliated, intimidated and pushed in corner everyday:what for? coz one wrote that they are not realy namibians or what?coz of Hamutenya and his friends decided to form up a political party or what? We are about to tell the truth. be careful! Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP handy Number Posts: 18 Last Post: 29.05.2008, 15:06 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 09:18 for those of you who haven't read the article, below please find the article by honorable Angula. i find it very articulate and so critical that i could not ignore it. i regard Honorable Angula as a straight forward man, and a visionary leader who can say the truth at all time, irrespective of who will be hurt by his comments. as a namibian youth, educative articles such as the one below are hard to find in this country, most especially from our leaders. for honorable Angula to take such a step and write about it although it boarders on tribal line, is such a heroic step. for you young RDP supporters, you do not know the real reason why RDP was formed in the first place. you should instead thank honorable Angula for enlighting you on this issue, because it appear that you are all blind-forded by RDP and cannot see beyond where your eyes could reach. i urge you all to read the article again with an open mind, and think why it was written in the first place. As far as that article is concerned, honorable Angula did not go beating around the bush, but he was straight forward. i hope you can also read part 1 of his article then you will understand. RDP and its creators are surely doomed to fail because they lack fundamental roots to stand on. a party based on personal vendetas and a hope/wish to capture tribal dominance, not only lack intergrity, but substance to stand. come 2009 elections and all will be clear. To the Oshikwanyama speaking people, don't be dragged into the mud by this political hopefuls calling themselves RDP, their days are numbered and they have arleady decided their own fate in the Namibian political arena. its a pity that the queen of Oukwanyama is romoured to be part of this hopefuls. let peace prevail... and keep your ears and eyes wide open Threat Posed By Ethnic Political Entrepreneurship in Namibia: Part 2 2008-02-15 By Citizen Nahas Angula Negative Campaigns IN my previous opinion piece on the threat to political stability posed by ethnic political entrepreneurship, I dwelt on the strange phenomenon of mysterious leadership lists that appeared at the Swapo Party election times. Such mysterious leadership lists were accompanied by clandestine and secretive negative campaigning. The negative campaign exhorted regional delegates not to vote for this or that candidate, usually from different regions. Such negative campaigns took the character of political ethnic cleansing in the Swapo Party. Whether the mysterious leadership lists or clandestine negative campaigns did have effect on the actual election outcomes, it is difficult to quantify. However, the atmosphere created by such negative political behaviour was not conducive to the electoral or democratic political processes. Bad losers seized upon such polluted political environment to question the outcome of elections. This is bad for democracy. In such a political environment people felt justified to find political refuge in tribal solidarity. The evolution towards the establishment of the Rally for Democracy and Progress (RDP) was nurtured by some of the above-mentioned political behaviour. ‘We are Not Wanted in Swapo’ One day in 2004, one of my long-standing comrades burst into my office at the Ministry of Higher Education and Employment Creation. The comrade looked unhappy. I asked him what the matter was and he retorted: “We are not wanted in Swapo!” I was confused. Who were the “we”? Who in Swapo does not want the “we”? I invited the comrade to take a sit so that we could discuss the matter. He then started telling me that as an Oshikwanyama-speaking person, he felt unwelcome and unwanted in the Swapo Party. He cited incidents. At the end he declared: “Swapo is no longer the type of Swapo you and I grew up in.” I was shocked by the candid manner in which the comrade confided in me. The question on my mind was: “How many Ovakwanyama in the Swapo Party shared same sentiments with this comrade?” This was clearly an unhealthy political situation in our party. The issue was not whether what the comrade was saying was factually correct, but rather that this belief or perception was firmly fixated in his mind. The preamble to Unesco Constitution is instructive in this regard. It reads: “That since wars begin in the minds of men, it is in the minds of men that the defences of peace must be constructed.” If this comrade believed that there was a programme in Swapo against his ethnic group, how best could one convince him that it was not so. In my small way, I tried at every Swapo leadership meeting to remind every one present that “politics is not a zero sum game” or “we should not politically marginalise each other”. My pleas, of course, were not taken seriously. One of my comrades called such appeals “childish”. The evolution of the establishment of the RDP was fed by this type of perception among some Oshikwanyama-speaking people that they were not welcome in Swapo. As said earlier, such a perception might be real or imaginary. As a belief, however, such a perception is capable of triggering political actions with far-reaching consequences. The formation of the Rally for Democracy and Progress could be said to have been conceived in tribal or ethnic solidarity. The association of people like Mr Jesaya Nyamu with RDP is fortuitous. Sooner than later he will become irrelevant. The Nyamu Factor Mr Nyamu’s political motives are driven by a personal vendetta he developed against the former president of the Swapo Party, Comrade Sam Nujoma. When, how or why this vendetta developed, is immaterial. Mr Nyamu, however, coached his differences with the party president in Frantz Fanon’s notion of post-independence African leaders of practicing the politics of patronage and patrimonial rule. At every leadership meeting one would not help but to hear Mr Nyamu privately complaining of Swapo being a party of praise-singers and sycophants. He came to view the Swapo leadership as a “board of a society of impatient profiteers” á la Fanon. His messianic zeal of comparing his political mission with what happened during the Reformation, is fired by the conclusions Fanon drew about mass parties in post-colonial Africa. Fanon observed that such mass parties, once found upon popular support, simply withered away leaving nothing but the shell, the name, the emblem and the motto. Fanon concluded that such parties served only as the strongholds of a privileged few. Mr Nyamu sees himself as a catalyst for the withering away of the Swapo Party. He believes RDP is his vehicle for achieving such an objective. However, Mr Nyamu’s objectives are not necessarily the fundamental reasons why RDP was established. The establishment of the RDP is to be found in the history, the social and economic condition of the Ovakwanyama people. The Fateful February 6, 1917 February 6, 1917 is regarded as a fateful day in the history of Ovakwanyama people. On that day King Mandume ya Ndemufayo put up his last stand against the Union of South African Forces led by J J de Jager. It is not quite clear whether King Mandume was killed in action or he ended his own life when he realised that the war of resistance had reached a turning point. The death of King Mandume brought to an end an ancient Oukwanyama Kingdom whose origins could be traced back to 15th century. The Oukwanyama Kingdom is said to have been established by King Kavongeka or King Mushindi ua Kanhene. King Mandume was the sixteenth in the lineage. Though King Mandume reigned over Oukwanyama Kingdom for a relatively short period of six years at a young age and died at the age of 30, he nevertheless left behind a story of courage, bravery, fearlessness and single-mindedness. His character continues to inspire many a Kwanyama youth. It is among the Oshikwanyama-speaking youth that the RDP message is finding resonance and fertile ground for growth. Moreover, the destruction of the Oukwanyama polity led to social and economic dislocation of the Ovakwanyama people. Oukwanyama territory was divided by a cut-line, which formed the frontier between Portuguese Angola and the then South West Africa. Fearing Portuguese reprisals, many Ovakwanyama people decided to relocate into present day Ohangwena Region. The situation was further exacerbated by the shifting of the borderline southward in 1928. The Oukwanyama area in Namibia became some 30-40 km wide and 200 km long. Population pressure soon became a problem. The socio-economic situation deteriorated. In order for the Oukwanyama headmen to carry favour with the colonial authorities, they submitted themselves to the whims of the Ovamboland Native Commissioner. In this way, the Native Commissioner helped the Oukwanyama Traditional Authority to acquire additional land at the expense of neighbouring polities. The notion of “Ou a hombola nyoko oye ho!” was adopted by Oukwanyama headmen in their relation to the colonial authorities. This was a humiliating attitude. It is still resented today by many Oshikwanyama-speaking people. The loss of time honoured kingship in Oukwanyama; the division of Oukwanyama territory into two; population pressure on land on the Namibian side of Oukwanyama; high levels of youth unemployment and general poverty in Ohangwena Region – all combined to form a fertile ground for RDP to take root and prosper in that area. RDP has the potential of capturing the imagination of Ovakwanyama youth with the view to re-invent the Oukwanyama of Mandume ya Ndemufayo. RDP could become a typical kinship corporation. Mr Hidipo Hamutenya could be turned by those around him into an Emeka Ojukwu of Namibia of some sort. RDP should not be viewed as any political party – it is an ethnic project. In the next opinion piece I shall attempt to draw on the historical ideals of Swapo Party as the possible guide towards building a non-ethnic, non-racial and a non-sexist political culture in Namibia. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 13:34 Tribalism is bad for our society. In the past 17 years we have done very well in promoting Unity while at the same time embracing our diversity. When we see something that is contrary to what we want to achieve we must speak out against it. I fail to understant why; when people are raising their concern about tribalistic tendencies in a certain party, they are said to be promoting Tribalism. HOW? RDP supporters must not be defensive, the issue of tribalism in RDP has been raised from different quarters now, It is a reality. It is about time you guys realise that and maybe, do something about it. I know some of you have joined for different reasons - not knowing the fundamentals of the party, thus joining blindly, But others have joined because of the tribal factor - And that is what I have a problem with, it's not good for our society, we need to show political maturity otherwise we will go the Kenya way. I am However confident that, the majority of the Kwanyamas (including myself) will not join such a tribal project. This is demonstrated by the large turnout at the SWAPO rallies at Helao Nafidi and Eenhana last weekend. We will not join that tribal project because it is not necessary, Our region has not been treated differently from other regions by the SWAPO government. We are getting the same opportunities as anybody else in the country irrespective of our tribe. There is no need for such a divisive party, which is simply trying to use my tribe as their launching pad. If they had our interest at heart, they would not have done something that would eventually make our tribe look bad. Nambili The intention is not to point fingers at a tribe as such, but rather at individuals who are trying to use that tribe for their personnal ambitions. It is unfortunate that, when some people see a Kwanyama they see an RDP, I have experienced that too, which is why I have decided to speak out. People (Including RDP leaders) must realize that a lot of us are matured and we value "One Namibia One Nation". We will not join the Vacuum party (No ideology) simply because it is led by people from our tribe. Nambili you said; "So I think, mentioning tribalism -especially pointing fingers at certain tribes -promotes tribalism even more" You might be right about that one, but this can only happen to someone who is really NUTS. And some people might take the opportunity to misinterpret what we are saying with the purpose of Confusing the "not so sophisicated" members of our society, that we are promoting tribalism while in fact we are speaking out against it. I'm however confident that many people in our society are mature enough, Even Sam "Shafoixuna" Nujoma, President Pohamba and Hage Geingob spoke out against tribalism oriented parties at public rallies in the North and Walvis bay, but they were not seen to be promoting it by the masses. I'm rather dissapointed that some members of this forum, who, I thought are mature enough given their level of education which the SWAPO government have provided to them, have chosen to misinterpret what Citizen Nahas Angula is saying, simply because they don't like what he is saying because they have associated themselves with a culprit party. We must Embrace our diversity, but we must not let our tribal backgrounds divides us... Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Kachokwe Number Posts: 144 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 12:24 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 15:59 I wish this forum was accessible to all Namibians coz some points in here are constructive and eye openers. However, about RDP called to be Tribal party is matter that bare a big question mark, in the sense that there is a say says that, "There is no smoke without fire" and another one in Oshiwambo, "Momeya ihamwinyenge owala Meaning, why only with RDP? many parties where formed e.g. COD, but there were no such a link? honesty speaking there should be some thing fish there. Myself I am not supporting tribalism in this country nor in the world as whole because its is a major cause of the Civil war. Furthermore, if one read well with scrutiny the afore-said article by Hon. Angula you can feel that there is something wrong some where and RDP with tribal line might true, in the sense that He is a person of high profile who have been in SWAPO for many years and have been Friend/comrade or close candre to most RDP interim readers. So, look critically there, otherwise if you can you may pick up something. In addition, there are street rumours saying that his office was invaded by the FBI of Namibia while he was in hospital and if the rumours are true it means there are who trust who somewhere. Unfortunetly, according to the rumours nothing was found as evidence of what maybe they were searching. Finally, Namibians, lets us unite as one nation and build our country economically, Peacefully in Democracy, irrespective of our political parties affiliation. [Post edited by: Kachokwe on 19/2/08 4:04 PM] Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP swapo Number Posts: 58 Last Post: 05.06.2008, 17:19 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 16:45 I am sorry Mr Epangelo but judging from your posts it seems like swapo is no the confused one, but RDP as Much as you dont RDP to critcised, you all seem to be doing just that, what basis was RDP created for Ano, except for Swapo this and Swapo that, of cos if swapo is confused they are right in being so, as no government wants its country divided like all you are trying to do. As far as I am concerned HH or Nyamu are nt even leadership material, they are just forcing issues. I even feel sorry for all of them, they have brought even confusion in their homes. They should be concentrating on their health, families and not try to confuse us. I am so proud at how after all Swapo is still united from the grassroots and those said to be hibernating are only fooling themselves and even though they are known, they cant fool anyone. Your talks of constitutional amendments and what nots are not convincing enough cos the more you try to convince us they more it feels like you are confused yourself. But never the less it is yo right to feel that way. Definitely DIVIDED you fall Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP NANIC Number Posts: 71 Last Post: 14.11.2008, 12:00 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 17:04 Ok u guys said so much in ur posts ,i just wanna add or clarify on that article written by the so called PM ! Namibians people !u know wats going in our country or those separation of power ,multiples balance of power ,e.t.c! after ur going through that article did u asked urself this question ?(Can i guarantee that this is from PM desk ?) if u are 100% sure about it than u can make up ur conclusion not based on that article but on what u are seeing with ur own eyes, lastly ! i think there is 50 % TRUTH in that article ,just count how many Kwanyamas top management have been sucked by SWAPO party in connnection with RDP ! NANIC Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP swapo Number Posts: 58 Last Post: 05.06.2008, 17:19 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 17:06 Kachokwe it is a pity that we all never hear what goes behind closed doors, but me as Young Namibia who is also a proud Kwanyama was fortunate enuff to hear about the Kwanyamas in Swapo saying they were sidlined. the articles of PM is only an eye opener, but these things were known before but were just not announced for alll to hear as they wre regarded as utter rubbish. But anyways lets not close our eyes and ears to the truth even though it doesn't sound believable I think one should always have a question mark. these Divide and Rule issues is something talked about long ago, its a pity we are only waking up now. Do you Think If the NaMibian Intelligence had to find out that aliens were attacking the country they are going to announce it, I dont think so, cos as human beings we will all go in a state of panic and when the aliens come we would all have died from fear. I understand that we as Young people as much enlightened we must be, we still dont know the Game (POLITICS) Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP swapo Number Posts: 58 Last Post: 05.06.2008, 17:19 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 17:10 If it is not from the PM's desk, then I'm sure he would have publicly denied it. so as long as his name is on it, obviously he consented it. and I dont think He is bothered about it cos he was just telling the truth. [Post edited by: swapo on 19/2/08 5:12 PM] Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP nambili Number Posts: 67 Last Post: 04.01.2009, 17:49 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 19:26 Elaiti, The finger pointing I am talking about is Nahas Angula's opinion/fact that Kwanyamas collaborated with the colonial powers to take land from other tribes. Even if it is true, how does the grabbing of land by (some) Kwanyamas many many years ago lead to (some) Kwanyamas starting a party for Kwanyamas today? correct me if I'm wrong but that is what I understood this paragraph to mean: "In order for the Oukwanyama headmen to carry favour with the colonial authorities, they submitted themselves to the whims of the Ovamboland Native Commissioner. In this way, the Native Commissioner helped the Oukwanyama Traditional Authority to acquire additional land at the expense of neighbouring polities. The notion of “Ou a hombola nyoko oye ho!” was adopted by Oukwanyama headmen in their relation to the colonial authorities." Apologies if I misinterpreted it! The writings are full of historical facts about Kwanyamas and the PM's opinions about RDP. He doesn't make any attempt to connect the two nor does he back up his arguments with facts. For example, he mentions Ben Ulenga (in earlier installments) as an ethnic political entrepreneur but conveniently stops short of mentioning which tribe CoD enjoys/enjoyed the support of. Also consider the following statements: "Mr Nyamu’s objectives are not necessarily the fundamental reasons why RDP was established." "Mr Hidipo Hamutenya could be turned by those around him into an Emeka Ojukwu of Namibia of some sort. RDP should not be viewed as any political party – it is an ethnic project." He clearly distances Nyamu from the "ethnic project". He also seems to suggest that HH could become a secessionist leader because of the influence of "those around him". Who are those around him? RDP is Nyamu and HH's project.Or not? The historical facts and anecdotes are undisputable but they don't necessarily back up the PM's opinions. Let us take an analogy from football: Good referees don't give a penalty unless they are absolutely sure. SWAPO should do the same. They cannot be absolutely sure that RDP is an "ethnic project". The PM himself said: "RDP could become a typical kinship corporation." Is it could or is it definitely? Please, if you are not sure if it's a penalty, play on and win the game by scoring goals! In fact you could be given a yellow card for trying to con the referee by diving in the penalty area! Why can't they just wait? If indeed it is an ethnic project and HH will become a secessionist leader,non-Kwanyamas will leave the party and Kwanyamas who don't want to live in a "country" that doesn't even have a City will also leave the party. Kwanyamas have already died for this country, why would they want to die for a small (poverty-stricken) piece of it? Of course SWAPO can't wait because the real fight is not against tribalism. The real fight is against RDP. If the fight was against tribalism, it would have started a long time ago and it would have started inside SWAPO, its structures and the government. Yellow card for diving. Period. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Goddy Number Posts: 96 Last Post: 04.12.2008, 14:23 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 22:31 I'm urging Nambili to hold his position on Citizen Nahas Angula somewhere but not here. We don't need Nahas Angula's puppet here. Let alone Citizen Naha Angula defend him self in the next article to come soon hopefully cos for him is easy writting than solving national issues. Believe me, Ovakwanyama's history got nothing to do with formation of RDP as Citizen Nahas Angula underlined in his article. Fight against RDP but don't touch Oukwanyama authority and its history otherwise we will climb on you. There was never powerful kingdom at Ovambo-land like that one of Ovakwanyama under the king Mandume Ndemufayo. The King of Ndonga tribe was at the same time right-hand of Mandume during struggle against occupation of Protuguese and South Africa later. Shame on you fake politicians of SWAPO Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP nambili Number Posts: 67 Last Post: 04.01.2009, 17:49 [ View User's Posts ] Tuesday, 19. February 2008 at 23:51 Goddy, I have nothing against Nahas Angula as a person, but I disagree with his article. Read my posts again please. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Goddy Number Posts: 96 Last Post: 04.12.2008, 14:23 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 00:59 Good to hear that. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Goddy Number Posts: 96 Last Post: 04.12.2008, 14:23 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 01:19 Kachokwe said smt constructive. Let them mis-treat ovakwanyamas but that will be just a matter if tme. We have seen how many people discriminated the first day Hamutenya was nominated. People like Netumbo still suffering hardship in SWAPO even though no connection evidence to RDP. SWAPO is under Kwanyama leadership and halfully of us will continue to support H E. President. Hifikepunye Pohamba is a cool guy. even former president knew him very well. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 08:45 People calm down!!!! This is taking us nowhere. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP EPANGELO Number Posts: 328 Last Post: 02.01.2009, 13:34 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 10:22 Good day guys and thanks alot to those that are shocked as well by our PM, I wonder what Elaiti have just said "People calm down!!!! This is taking us nowhere" Its you Elaiti and our PM that are emphasizing points that are taking us no where, do you know that Elaiti? More still to come I am a bit occupied now. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP mandume Number Posts: 225 Last Post: 15.12.2008, 16:38 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 11:39 Hello fellows; Apologies for been absent for long on this exciting site of ours, esp to Epangelo, Elaiti, Jackson,Goddy,Nambili,swapo,g4u and many others. I have seen a lot has been happening and said during those days. But for now let me start with the article of citizen Nahas: the article is not only questionable but indeed very disturbing and destructive esp from a leader of such caliber. And left some of us wondering what is really made of him as honorable member? The question I ask myself is why the focus of these days on Kwanyamas, I being one myself does not see this situation funny or deserving intertainment in the context of National Unity and cutural diversity as well as peace and stability. “remember the war of national liberation has been fought and Oukwanyama was the battle field” some of us are still straggeling to recover the wounds of apertaid!! yes after 17 years of independence Most of us remember very well how bitter it was and lost uncountable resources not to mention the bloodshed of our mothers, sisters, brothers, uncles and many others. The theme was Namibia Liberation straggle for Independence from apartheid. Not Kwanyama war or Ndonga war or etc. There is no hero in this country living today is greater then those bloods waters our freedom and we should always remember this as we keep enjoying the peace and stability “independence” we enjoy today. Why is it wrong today in an independent Namibia to form a political party opposing the ruling party? “this is the question I still need answers for” During the days of straggle SWAPO was not a political party but a liberation movement, unlike today when it became a political party and in the context of democracy opposition parties should be formed to allow fairness and monitor performance of the ruling body. The problem and what I fail to understand again is why Namibians can get to the extend of becoming extremist party activists and go to the extend of holding each others necks simply for political reasons or differences. Those that are manifesting these activities should remember that our young generation can never forgive us if we allow any conflicts to occur as a result of these ill events. Time comes and time goes no human can hold on to power forever one day nature will take its course and change can never be denied, but it rid-off those opposing it. But sure what everyone of us hope is a better and brighter future! Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 11:53 Epangelo My call for calm is in reaction to Goddy's comments which are clearly promoting tribalism. The issue of tribalism is a delicate and sensitive one. However when it is manfesting we need to address it objectively and with open minds such that we don't promote it but rather discourage it. I will clarify at Lunch. Let us embrace our diversity, but let's not divide ourselves along tribal lines Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP Elaeti.nam Number Posts: 272 Last Post: 05.01.2009, 15:32 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 15:26 Nambili I know Nahas Angula as an Open Minded person who expresses himself objectively without Fear or Favour. I think in his article he has not taken sides. He has pointed out wrongs commited from both sides. He has attempted to highlight the vurnerability of the Kwanyamas after the end of a powerfull Kingdom at Oihole after death of our legent Mandume yaNdemufayo (My his soul RIP). Because of that vulnerability, Nahas Angula pointed out, Some senior headmans ended up working together with the Colonial powers. According to my observation many ordinal Kwanyamas dissapproved this relationships, G. Kautwima a former senior headman of Omhedi died an unpopular leader . Gabriel Dan who later became a DTA MP is not liked by many in Oukwanyama. He later lost his position in Oukwanyama leadership. According to Citizen N.Angula's theory, it is the same vurnerability of the missed strength of the Kingdom under Mandume - aka, "Ohamba yokayalambadwa yokapekwa yaMelulo", that led to HH and crew at RDP taking advantage of Kwanyamas to re-launch their political careers because they could not fulfill their personal ambitions in SWAPO. The fact is RDP is a tribal based party, How they got themselves in such a position is what Angula attempted to clarify. Whether his theories are true is up for discussion. As of now that is the only Theory presented to us, others will come up with different reasons. RDP leaders will be in a better position to give us a better picture, but given the fact that they are still denying the tribal issue, it's unlikely that we will hear from them on that. Nambili as an RDP supporter can you tell me why you support RDP and why it only managed to attract people from one tribe. Why it's leadership is mostly made up of one tribe? We must embrace our diversity. But we must not allow ourselves to be divided along tribal lines [Post edited by: Elaiti on 20/2/08 3:30 PM] Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP davido Number Posts: 14 Last Post: 20.02.2008, 16:26 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 16:26 Elaiti, you and just like any other of your swapos should never try and undermine the intelligence of the kwanyama people. Please just leave the kwanyamas alone and leave the political party RDP alone esp in relations to it and Kwanyama people. Your cry for RDP been for kwanyamas is absolutely base less and we are all aware that this is your attempt to discourage other Namibians from joining the party RDP. Look my brother RDP has its founders, swapo had its founders and reasons for founding it, its barely not even a year before RDP was launched and you are all over it already. One just wonder why you can’t work around the clock and sort-out endless problems in your swapo. Elaiti, how long did it take OPO to change its Name to SWAPO and are you telling me that people from all tribes in Namibian founded OPO or what? And how many tribes are represented there at the top leadership of the swapo party? And how many tribes do we have in Namibia? Stop prophesying the ideas of Tribal Parties, we have NUDO in Namibia where by majority are Herero people, swapo were majority are Ovambos how many times did you or swapos criticize it or try and climb over it. Now that you know the RDP leaders and where they came from you are all over them. “Osho odino yo ka ndikushi nanyoko” just leave the people and RDP alone. Where were you when they were part of swapo? Why didn’t you shout how corrupt they were? To tell us who they really are now that they quitted swapo is absolutory non-sense. And how many more are you waiting to quite so that you expose them? “I will not be surprised “sure there should be many” if there are even worse corrupt leaders still left in swapo, and seeking refuge from expose “ And on what bases is the so called citizen Nahas is deriving those theories, is he sympathizing or advocating the kingdom and leadership of Ovakwanyama. Ovakwanyama people’s history is known by kwanyamas and well documented. We know who is who in our community and does not need any intruders to teach us our own history. Swapo, and Namibia politics must not embrace the politics of the past and leaders in swapo must not spoil the politic’ field to touch on our cultural legacy, or mixing it with the suppose purely politics of electorates “the politics of today”. The two must differ as they are distinct and lines must be drawn on these basses. Citizen Nahas therefore should do the honorable thing and withdraw his writings with mediate effect. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP swapo Number Posts: 58 Last Post: 05.06.2008, 17:19 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 16:40 S.U.C.H. B.I.T.T.E.R.N.E.S.S Goddy Your bitterness will eat you alive before you shame swapo! I truly feel sorry for you. Re: HONOURABLE PM NAHAS ANGULA AND RDP nambili Number Posts: 67 Last Post: 04.01.2009, 17:49 [ View User's Posts ] Wednesday, 20. February 2008 at 18:59 Elaiti said: "Nambili as an RDP supporter can you tell me why you support RDP and why it only managed to attract people from one tribe. Why it's leadership is mostly made up of one tribe?" Why it's leadership is mostly made up of one tribe? RDP was made up of people who were victimised in SWAPO, that's my view. Your view is that it is made up of corrupt and failed politicians. So we can either take my view and conclude that RDP's leadership is dominated by Kwanyamas because it is mostly Kwanyamas who were victimised or we can take your view and conclude that it is mostly Kwanyamas who are corrupt. If this is not so, then tell me who are the non-Kwanyamas who are corrupt and why they are not being fired? why it only managed to attract people from one tribe? That's not a fact. I personally know RDP members who are not Kwanyamas. Why I support RDP? Because I read their political programme and it resonates with me, as a Namibian who thinks SWAPO needs a push in the back to tackle poverty, unemployment and corruption in practice as opposed to the speeches. "We must embrace our diversity. But we must not allow ourselves to be divided along tribal lines " The fact that there are Kwanyamas in SWAPO and non-Kwanyamas in RDP clearly shows that we are not divided along tribal lines. We might be divided but it is not along tribal lines. It is a good thing that despite majority Ovambo leadership, non-Ovambos have joined SWAPO. It is a good thing that despite majority Kwanyama leadership, non-Kwanyamas have joined RDP and it is also a good thing that many Kwanyamas remained in SWAPO. Continue to next page: >>> Post Views: 4555 Displaying posts 1 - 25 of 48 total posts: 1 - 2 - >>> © 2009 web.com.na About | Press | Contact & Support | Terms & Conditions| Privacy | Imprint Designed for Namibia