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Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
zioncommunity

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Sunday, 06. February 2011 at 14:01
Because today is Sunday, and for some of the christians a DAY of THE LORD,
we decided to come out today, as a group of christians from the mormon tradition,
and invite you , invite all namibians , to do every day as the DAY OF THE LORD.
A day of share love with all around you.
Time to time, we'll be here share with you our faith in GOD, and invite you all
to belive and accept JESUS CHRIST.
We christians of mormon tradition ( for some just only " mormons" , because we
also belive in the BOOK OF MORMON , as well in the BIBLE , as words of GOD )
we belive that ZION will be build also in NAMIBIA.
Keep in touch
In CHRIST
International Community of Zion

(obs: we are no part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ,, but
we share same belifes, practices,etc)
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
Lenga2030

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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 08:25
That is funny, funny ... very funny indeed that you indentify yourselves as Mormon; you say you share "same beliefs, same practices, etc" with "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", yet you are at pains for a disclaimer, saying you are not LDS.
That is like saying an animal with all the qualities of a wolf and behaves like a wolf is not a wolf ...

ZC: "Time to time, we'll be here share with you our faith in GOD, and invite you all
to belive and accept JESUS CHRIST."

[Faith in which God? Don't you believe, like the LDS, that there is more than one God?]

ZC: "We christians of mormon tradition ( for some just only " mormons" , because we
also belive in the BOOK OF MORMON , as well in the BIBLE , as words of GOD)
we belive that ZION will be build also in NAMIBIA."

[In other words, you believe, like the LDS, that we Blacks are Blacks because of the sins of our anscestors, but if convert to Mormonism we will become white Zionists ... ah, the same story used to deceive American Indians, telling them they are a lost tribe of Zion. That if they convert they would become white again.]
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
zioncommunity

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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 14:11
Lenda 2030
I'm not sure that you are talking about something ,that have nothing but nothing to do with
us as christians from the mormon tradition.
1. Where did you found that we christand mormons , or actualy the LDS have more than
one GOD? Could you go back ,please, to your surce of informations. Our GOD is only ONE.
The GOD of the BIBLE , and acyualy the same ( again) is in the Book of Mormon. We don't
belive in more than ONE GOD.

In time our core / statement of Belifes , will be also here in this forum.


2. Again , we don't know where you got the ideia that "blacks are blacks because of the sins".
May i say that in the past, very very in the past, not only the LDS/UTAH Church ( nothing to do
with Zion Community), but mostly of the "official stablished" christian churchs , in United States
of America , all of them was a bit ( or a lot) against to receive " black" or not "white" people as
members of the churches. But we are talking about more than 100 yrs ago. At present , also the
LDS , have no policy of not giving membership to the no white people.
We say that was wrong , and is in fact a SIN discriminate people because of the skin collor.

3, ZION . In the BIBLE , Zion is the New Jerusalem , a new city of peace and prosperity under
the Law of GOD. In other words , Zion was and is in the BIBLE , much before the Book of Mor-
mon. We say that ZION is the Kingdom ogf GOD , that all christians ask in our daily prayers.
( nothing to do in asking to "blacks" to convert for to be "whites"., but asking to all humankind
to convert to JESUS CHRIST, accept HIM , and follow HIM, building the New Jerusalem, ZION).

4. Where are we differents?: WE DON'T ASK MONEY for to be member. There is no 10%
payment from wages,etc etc., as now most of the churches do. Because we live as Community
of Belivers, and for us the GOSPEL OF CHRIST is not a business, or a way out for survive without
do no labor jobs. We have no buildings as temples or churches or meeting houses. Every one
home, is the local mission, local place for study and prayer. And , no one, neither now neither
in future, take salary or wages from the Religion.

I hope, that in time, you decided also to join our Community of Christiand from Mormon Tradition


We are

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Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
sir Zion

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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 14:39
well done guys, pls tell me more about my name. Plus, i dont know what Mormon is.
if you can pls put it for me in simple words.
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
zioncommunity

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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 16:55
With my respects.
In time you will understand better.
ZION: biblical name for the New Jerusalem.
Mormon - Book of Mormon - consider by us as another record about the Gospels of Jesus
Christ. Also know as Record of Nephites. ( Nephites - one of the lost tribes of Israel). By Holy
Spirit, Joseph Smith Jr ( Prophet and Seer ) could translate old writings of those tribe.
Mormons - christians that accept the Holy BIBLE as word of GOD, and the Book of Mormon
as another confirmation of the Gospels of Christ.
I hope that a few simple words, make some sense.
You can "google it" for Book of Mormon and follow links.
And above all , ask to GOD , for understanding.
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
Lenga2030

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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 20:35
ZC: "Lenda 2030
I'm not sure that you are talking about something ,that have nothing but nothing to do with
us as christians from the mormon tradition."

[You would disappoint me, for sure, the moment you start showing signs that you are not well informed about your religion.]

ZC: "1. Where did you found that we christand mormons , or actualy the LDS have more than
one GOD?"

[When Mormons die they become gods. As far as I know many Mormons have died since Joseph Smith founded that religion. So, if they believe that they becomes gods after death, they must also believe that there are thousands of gods out there because thousands of Mormons have died since 1829.]

ZC: "Could you go back ,please, to your surce of informations. Our GOD is only ONE."

[That is an utterly false statement meant do deceive ignorant fellows. If you don't know what I have just revealed to you, then you do not yet know Mormonism.]

ZC: "The GOD of the BIBLE , and acyualy the same ( again) is in the Book of Mormon. We don't
belive in more than ONE GOD."

[If that is the case then you don't "share same belifes, practices,etc" with the LDS as you claimed earlier.
Your earlier claim must have been false.]
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
Lenga2030

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ZC: "2. Again , we don't know where you got the ideia that "blacks are blacks because of the sins".

[If you don't know where that idea came from then you are ignorant Mormons. Period.]

ZC: "May i say that in the past, very very in the past, not only the LDS/UTAH Church ( nothing to do
with Zion Community), but mostly of the "official stablished" christian churchs , in United States
of America , all of them was a bit ( or a lot) against to receive " black" or not "white" people as
members of the churches."

[The difference you don't seem to grasp (or unwilling to accept) is between (1) believing that Blacks are black because of the sin of their forefathers (LDS teaching) and (2) having apart parishes for blacks and whites (discrimination).]

ZC: "But we are talking about more than 100 yrs ago. At present , also the LDS , have no policy of not giving membership to the no white people."

[That alone makes the LDS a false religion. A religion that changes to adapt to the world is a false religion. By the way, are you saying the LDS was wrong 100 years ago, or that it wrong now?]

ZC: "We say that was wrong , and is in fact a SIN discriminate people because of the skin collor."

[I repeat: you do not seem to grasp the difference between discriminating against Blacks (a practice) and
teaching that Blacks are black because of sin (a doctrine).]
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 21:03
ZC: "3, ZION . In the BIBLE , Zion is the New Jerusalem , a new city of peace and prosperity under
the Law of GOD. In other words , Zion was and is in the BIBLE , much before the Book of Mor-
mon. We say that ZION is the Kingdom ogf GOD, that all christians ask in our daily prayers.
(nothing to do in asking to "blacks" to convert for to be "whites"., but asking to all humankind
to convert to JESUS CHRIST, accept HIM , and follow HIM, building the New Jerusalem, ZION)."

[That is a pity you reveal yourselves ignorant of Mormonism. Mormonism teaches that:
1. Blacks are black because of a curse, and
2. If Blacks convert they would become white.
The Book of Mormon says: "And their curse was taken from them and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."

And

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

And oh yeah, do you remember who said the following: “The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised ... fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos; five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.... At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents on the same reservation, in the same Hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather. There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.”
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ZC: "4. Where are we differents?: WE DON'T ASK MONEY for to be member. There is no 10%
payment from wages,etc etc., as now most of the churches do.
Because we live as Community of Belivers, and for us the GOSPEL OF CHRIST is not a business, or a way out for survive without do no labor jobs. We have no buildings as temples or churches or meeting houses. Every one
home, is the local mission, local place for study and prayer. And , no one, neither now neither
in future, take salary or wages from the Religion."

["No one take salary or wages from religion"? You are either disgracefully dishonest, or your beliefs, prictices, etc. are not similar to LDS as claimed earlier. The general authorities of the LDS receive a "modest living allowance" provided from income on Church investments. Do you know how modest this "modest allowance" is? If the Church receives no money from members, how come it has investments? Do you know that those taking up full-time jobs with the LDS are required to sell their property and give the money to the LDS?
Oh yes, you are not LDS but you said you share their beliefs, practices etc. So, refuting theirs is refuting yours.]

ZC: "I hope, that in time, you decided also to join our Community of Christiand from Mormon Tradition"

[That is false hope of course!]
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
zioncommunity

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Monday, 07. February 2011 at 23:50
I'm sorry to say that Lenga2030 have some ideias ( and knowledge) of the Church Of Jesus ChristOf Latter Day
Saints ( LDS/UTAH), but in particular from the erros of that church after Joseph Smith.
If was no erros, if was no diferences ( and very fundamental ones), not many groups, "churches",etc from
the mormon tradition could be actives,as they are ( including our small group/community).
No, we don't belive in to became "gods", we don't accept that no white people are like that for they sins,etc etc.
I recomend that you read links from the Restoration Movement / CenterPlace.org,etc, and you can find by yourself
the diferences.After the dead of Joseph Smith Jr , the LDS sofer a complete " coup d'etat", and became in something else, but not any more in the LDS.
When we refer to Church LDS , we mean the Church as it was until the deade of Joseph Smith Jr.
If you go back to the principles, and teachings of Joseph Smith Jr, maybe you can change your mind.
Only we are not for "reorganise" any church. We are just a community of christians that belive also in the
Book of Mormon, and accept the teachings of Joseph Smith Jr.
Can we?
Again , we don't look for salaries from religion. Do you agree with this same principle?
Again , please, don't blame us , for the mistakes and fundamental erros of others.
In Namibia there are 2 branches of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( LDS/UTAH).
one in Katutura/Komansdal and other in Windhoek north. We are no part of that church.
As the Community of Christ ( also a Church with same origens) and others too , have nothing to
do with LDS/UTAH church.
But don't be impatient . Our core of belifes, will be post in future very soon.
Keep in touch

IN JEUS CHRIST
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
Lenga2030

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Tuesday, 08. February 2011 at 08:20
ZC: "I'm sorry to say that Lenga2030 have some ideias ( and knowledge) of the Church Of Jesus ChristOf Latter Day Saints ( LDS/UTAH), but in particular from the erros of that church after Joseph Smith."

[That would be much convenient for you to say "Lenga2030 has some ideias (and knowledge)" of LDS errors ... but only some ideias? You think no one can have full knowledge of the LDS and disagree with you?]

ZC: "If was no erros, if was no diferences ( and very fundamental ones), not many groups, "churches",etc from
the mormon tradition could be actives,as they are ( including our small group/community).
No, we don't belive in to became "gods", we don't accept that no white people are like that for they sins,etc etc."

[Then you do not share LDS beliefs, practices, etc. You fed us a blatant lie.]

ZC: "I recomend that you read links from the Restoration Movement / CenterPlace.org,etc, and you can find by yourself the diferences."

[Now, please eccept the blame for making a blanket statement that you and the LDS share the same beliefs, practice, etc ... without identifying those you share and those you don't share. Only now are you starting to talk about differences, and I know why.]

ZC: "After the dead of Joseph Smith Jr , the LDS sofer a complete " coup d'etat", and became in something else, but not any more in the LDS."

[But the LDS would disagree. Now, why should I believe what you say and not what the LDS says? Are you, in one way or another, infallible?]

ZC: "When we refer to Church LDS , we mean the Church as it was until the deade of Joseph Smith Jr."

[That is a smokescreen, meant to cover your tactical retreat ... I know that. And the question remains: why the distinctions now when there was none in the opening post?
If you are like the Mormons I know, then I can suspect you were acting in a Mormon-like way of revealing the truth ONLY after some one has already converted. You were deceptively trying to hide the truth. That is why you did not say you only agree with the beliefs and practices of Joseph Smith but said you agree with the LDS. Any mature and logical person would conclude from that that you agree with the present-day LDS. And that is exactly the impression you were trying to create.]

ZC: "If you go back to the principles, and teachings of Joseph Smith Jr, maybe you can change your mind."

[That implies that present-day LDS's never read Joseph Smith ... otherwise they would have changed their minds ... and you should know you are wrong -- again!]
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Lenga2030

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Tuesday, 08. February 2011 at 08:38
ZC: "Only we are not for "reorganise" any church. We are just a community of christians that belive also in the
Book of Mormon, and accept the teachings of Joseph Smith Jr."

[One can not really be a Christian and at the same time believe the Book of Mormon. There are irreconcilable disagreements that Mormons try to explain away for deception purposes. Some do fall in the trap ... that is all.]

ZC: "Can we? Again , we don't look for salaries from religion."

[The question is not whether you look for salaries. It is rather whether you accept salaries from religion ... modest or otherwise and whatever the label placed on it (salary, wage, living allowance, etc).

ZC: "Do you agree with this same principle?"

[No, I don't agree with that principle, for obvious reasons: 1) it is impractical; 2) the Bible diagrees with it.]

ZC: "Again , please, don't blame us , for the mistakes and fundamental erros of others."

[I would never have blamed you for the mistakes and errors of others had you been honest with us here. But no, you told us you share the same beliefs, practices, etc with the LDS.]

ZC "In Namibia there are 2 branches of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( LDS/UTAH).
one in Katutura/Komansdal and other in Windhoek north. We are no part of that church.
As the Community of Christ ( also a Church with same origens) and others too , have nothing to
do with LDS/UTAH church.
But don't be impatient . Our core of belifes, will be post in future very soon."

[You already told us you believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon ... but apparently those are not core enough. You an additional set of beliefs (the thrid one) ... and the invention machine is still on. How amazing!]
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zioncommunity

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Tuesday, 08. February 2011 at 12:32
Thanks for your exercise in theology , dear Lenga 2030.
As we said there is no diferences beween us and the primitive Church Of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints , about statement/core of belifes , and pratices.
Now , and here cames the theological bit, you don't consider christians all that
belive in the Book of Mormon. That is the cornerstone of all this debate.
You could start for say " I Lenga2030 don't belive in the Book of Mormon", and
we could debate all areasthat you consider that they are not in concordance with
the Holy BIBLE.
And we promise that we'll debate also the Book of Mormon ( here ).
One of our practices ( in fact daily practice of the primitive LDS) is read and study
the HOLY BIBLE and The Book of Mormon, and from there get teachings that we
can put in practice in our daily lifes.
Again and again , we don't get any but any wages/salary from our religion commitment.
As the primitive biblical christians, that was living in communities, sharing everything,etc.
Or did you not read that in the BIBLE ?
Last, just for our information: Are you a "pastor , reverend ,prirest" of any church , that
see us ( christian mormos ) as a dangerous or criminal group? Well, also the primitive
christians had been seen as that.
Or are you afraid , because we don't defend the 10% payment for the " pockets of priests and
reverends", and we say that loud with Biblical lessons?
If not , what are you afraid of???
in CHRIST

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Lenga2030

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ZC: "Thanks for your exercise in theology , dear Lenga 2030.
As we said there is no diferences beween us and the primitive Church Of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints , about statement/core of belifes , and pratices."

[Ah, I am watching the verbal gimnastics and I am laughing out loud. The word "primitive" was absent from your original post. Its inclusion at this late stage suggests desperation that logically follows after a lie was exposed.]

ZC: "Now , and here cames the theological bit, you don't consider christians all that
belive in the Book of Mormon."

[Correct!]

ZC: "That is the cornerstone of all this debate."

[Why and according to whose criteria?]

ZC: "You could start for say " I Lenga2030 don't belive in the Book of Mormon", and
we could debate all areasthat you consider that they are not in concordance with
the Holy BIBLE."

[I, lenga2030, like all thue Christians, don't believe in the Book of Mormon. There you have it; that is what you demanded.]

ZC: "And we promise that we'll debate also the Book of Mormon ( here )."

[No problem!]

ZC: "One of our practices ( in fact daily practice of the primitive LDS) is read and study
the HOLY BIBLE and The Book of Mormon, and from there get teachings that we
can put in practice in our daily lifes."

[Nothing wrong with that, even those who diagree with do or can do the same.]

ZC: "Again and again , we don't get any but any wages/salary from our religion commitment."

[What do you mean by "we"? And why does that matter?]

ZC: "As the primitive biblical christians, that was living in communities, sharing everything,etc.
Or did you not read that in the BIBLE ?"

[I do read the Bible, but why are you asking that strange question?]

ZC: "Last, just for our information: Are you a "pastor , reverend ,prirest" of any church , that
see us ( christian mormos ) as a dangerous or criminal group?
[No. I am not a pastor; I am not a reverend; I am not a priest of any church and I do not see you as criminal group. Are there people who mistake you for criminals?]

ZC: "Well, also the primitive christians had been seen as that."

[True, but that does not logically follow that any group seen as criminal it is because it is like the primitive church. That is skewed reasoning, to put it mildly.]

ZC: "Or are you afraid , because we don't defend the 10% payment for the " pockets of priests and
reverends", and we say that loud with Biblical lessons?"

[I am afraid of people being misled, but you have to come up with a diversion, saying it is all about money. By the way, what is more cruel -- to demand 10 % or to demand 100 %? Don't forget, you told us you and the LDS share same beliefs and practices!]

ZC: "If not , what are you afraid of???"

[I alreadu told you I am afraid of savage wolves coming in in sheep skins, pretending to be so gentle they do not even need our money, while at the same time bringing in perverse doctrines.]
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One thing that amazes me about Mormonism is that when a doctrine is questioned, they simply say that the understanding of that particular doctrine doesn't matter (i.e. all contradictory understandings are correct).
When asked to provide evidence they simply look at you like "huh?" ... as if you have just asked for evidence of UFO's.
When they are caught spreading falsehoods they simply try explaining them away.
Like when ZC said they share the same beliefs, practices, etc with the LDS, but when confronted ZC simply said they meant “the primitive LDS”, not the post Joseph Smith LDS.
They say they do not demand 10 %, but here is what Doctrine and Covenants say:
“And this shall be the beginning of the tithing of my people. And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them forever, for my holy priesthood, saith the Lord.”
Just wait and see how they will try to explain it away. For them, every thing can be wished away or wished into existence – like the fiction book now known as “the Book of Mormon”.
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Thanks very much for your help.
In fact cames from you.:
"Doctrine and Convenants"- could you let us know ( us Cmmunity of Zion) where in our previous imputs,
we said anything about D&C.
We ( Community of Zion) don't receive neither 1% neither 10% or 100%, neither ask for any money
as we support ourselfes as community.Of course that we work with our hands, and we build our
community by that way. Including when we produce literature is for give away FREE.
We can see , that in the past you had been member or connected with LDS Utah Church.
Well don't blame us .
Again ..... the LDS Utah Church , have nothing to do with the primitive LDS CHURCH set by Joseph
Smith Jr ( only the name). And more.........the D&C that you report, is very question mark, if is the
original.
We , don't follow the recomendations of D&C........but read as more one literature.
You don't belive in the BOOK of MORMON. We belive in it as ANOTHER GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
Can we?
We hope you came with areas that you found ANTI BIBLE in the Book of Mormon.
But this debate is not the only one. Hundreds had hapeen. And until now no one could
prouve that the BOOK OF MORMON is against the HOLY BIBLE,etc etc
Can you?
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Lenga2030

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Hi Zioncommunity,

You simply confirm what I suspect, every time you post trying to eraze any links with the LDS. It was you who said -- without being asked -- that you do share the same beliefs, practices etc with the LDS. Are you now admiting you were telling an outright lie? For what purpose did you do that? The same old deception typical of mormons?
Yes, whenever one of their lies is exposed Mormons immediately either deny what they said, or they try to twist it, attaching to it a new meaning.

ZC: "Thanks very much for your help.
In fact cames from you.:
"Doctrine and Convenants"- could you let us know ( us Cmmunity of Zion) where in our previous imputs,
we said anything about D&C."

[Simple: just re-read your opening post where you claimed to share LDS beliefs and practices.]

ZC: "We ( Community of Zion) don't receive neither 1% neither 10% or 100%, neither ask for any money
as we support ourselfes as community.

[If that is the case, then you don't share the same beliefs and practices with the LDS. So, you tried to sell us a lie.]

ZC: "Of course that we work with our hands, and we build our community by that way. Including when we produce literature is for give away FREE."

[What is that suposed to prove? Atheist volunteers do the same: work with their hands and produce free literature.]

ZC: "We can see , that in the past you had been member or connected with LDS Utah Church."

[Hahaha ... you make me laugh. You are really desperate now. How did you see that I was once connected with the LDS Utah Church? Did you see that in a dream or in a vision? I can assure you, here and now, that that one was a demonic vision/dream. I was never a Mormon. One does not have to be infected with HIV/AIDS to know how to treat that disease. In the like manner, i don't have to be a former Mormon to know Mormonism. There is something called "study" ... one can study a religious group and understand its beliefs without joining it.]

ZC: "Again ..... the LDS Utah Church , have nothing to do with the primitive LDS CHURCH set by Joseph
Smith Jr ( only the name)."

[What should I do, then, if the LDS Utah Church tells me that you are not telling the truth? Should I believe you or them and why you?]

ZC: "And more.........the D&C that you report, is very question mark, if is the
original."

[Those are the Mormon excuses I have been talking about.]

ZC: "We , don't follow the recomendations of D&C........but read as more one literature.
You don't belive in the BOOK of MORMON. We belive in it as ANOTHER GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST."

[Yes, that is "another gospel" Paul warned us against -- Galatians 1:8]

ZC: "We hope you came with areas that you found ANTI BIBLE in the Book of Mormon."

[The mere fact that it is "another gospel" is enough evidence that it is ANTI BIBLE.]

ZC: "But this debate is not the only one. Hundreds had hapeen. And until now no one could
prouve that the BOOK OF MORMON is against the HOLY BIBLE,etc etc"

[If that is your conclusion, then you still have a long way to go. You are miserably uninformed.]
Can you?
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
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Tuesday, 08. February 2011 at 17:29
Lenga2030

I can't force to accept us, but you are free to carry on studyng the mormons mov,
not just the LDS UTH. You will find the fundamental differences.
Galatians 1:8 Important to understand the meaning. Paul let us know ,and very well,
that any one that come out with other GOSPEL THAT CONTRACDITE or IS AGAINST
the GOSPEL OF JESUS in the HOLY BIBLE, must be rejected.
But , have a gess : the book of Mormon CONFIRM EVERYTHING that is in THE HOLY
BIBLE. So....there are no reason for to be rejected.
If so , any teachings, from the POPE must be rejected by the catholics.

Keep in touch
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ZC: "Lenga2030
I can't force to accept us, "

[I did not say you can because know you can't. The fact that the idea crossed your mind is absurd enough.]

ZC: "but you are free to carry on studyng the mormons mov, not just the LDS UTH. You will find the fundamental differences."

[Hear, hear! The shared "blliefs, practice, etc" of the original post have become "fundamental differences".
That is actually how easy that is to expose these ravenous wolves in sheep skins. In no time they start contradicting themslves.]

ZC: "Galatians 1:8 Important to understand the meaning."

[That is what I have been saying. There you have the typical excuse. Apparently Mormons know better the meaning of any given passage.]

ZC: "Paul let us know ,and very well, that any one that come out with other GOSPEL THAT CONTRACDITE or IS AGAINST the GOSPEL OF JESUS in the HOLY BIBLE, must be rejected."

[So, we have to reject you ... thank you very much.]

ZC: "But , have a gess : the book of Mormon CONFIRM EVERYTHING that is in THE HOLY
BIBLE."

[That utter nonsense, and here some examples:
1. The Book of Mormon has people acting in the "name of Christ" hundreds of years before He was born (2 Nephi 31:13, 559 B.C.; Jacob 4:6, 540 B.C.); the Bible teaches otherwise (John 16:24; Luke 24:27).
2. The Book of Mormon says Christ was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10); the Bible teaches He was born at Bethlehem (Micah 5:2; Matt. 2:1).
3. The Book of Mormon says there was darkness over the earth for three days (Helaman 14:20, 27); the Bible says it was three hours (Luke 23:44) ... to mention but a few.]

ZC: "So....there are no reason for to be rejected.
If so , any teachings, from the POPE must be rejected by the catholics.]

[But how does the pope come up in a discussion regarding Mormonism? A failed distraction perhaps!]
Re: Let's do today and every day as the DAY OF THE LORD
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Lenga2030
No there are no contracditions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon ( and you know that) had been work of the Holy Spirit
in one person. Do you belive in that.? NO,i know.
Do you belive that GOD still doing revelations TODAY? . NO, i know that.
So for us the BOOK OF MORMON is TRUE.
We belive in it . For us is enough.

How can you call us WOLVES? Did we call you anything? NO , we didn't.
Because we LOVE ALL , catholics, methodists, pentecostalists, jews, muslins,etc,
as ( have a gess ) JESUS CRIST ask us in the GOSPELS to do.
I'm sure that you know and study more theology than us. Thank you.
We are just christian mormons that try to live the message of JESUS CHRIST.
In our simplicity, we are just as we are.
Sorry for that
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ZC: "No there are no contracditions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon."

[Please make sure ... 100 % sure ... that you know what the word "contradiction" means. Up to this point it seems you don't know what the word means.]

ZC: "The Book of Mormon ( and you know that) had been work of the Holy Spirit
in one person."

[Who says so?]

ZC: "Do you belive in that.? NO,i know.
Do you belive that GOD still doing revelations TODAY?. NO, i know that."

[The way you guess you would be a "perfect" witchdoctor. You simply "know" ...]

ZC: "So for us the BOOK OF MORMON is TRUE. We belive in it . For us is enough."

[And that would be a pity if you think that what other people believe is not enough.]

ZC: "How can you call us WOLVES?"

[Because that is what you are ... according to the Bible.]

ZC: "Did we call you anything? NO , we didn't.
Because we LOVE ALL , catholics, methodists, pentecostalists, jews, muslins,etc,
as ( have a gess ) JESUS CRIST ask us in the GOSPELS to do."

[That is false love when you don't call the spade a spade. Telling the truth -- even when it "hurts" -- is Christian love. When the Bible says "ravenous wolves", I say "ravenous wolves".]

ZC: "I'm sure that you know and study more theology than us."

[That is not what is being discussed here. You are deliberately diverting, instead of simply admitting that you had a false vision, "seeing" me connected to the LDS/Utah.
The most unChristian (or even anti-Christian) thing here is that whenever you are proven wrong and corrected you don't admit having been wrong. You simply ramble on as if nothing happened.]

ZC: "We are just christian mormons that try to live the message of JESUS CHRIST."

[It is not possible to be Mormon and Christian. How many times do I have to tell you that?]

ZC: "In our simplicity, we are just as we are. Sorry for that"

[Let me repeat after you ... "we are just as we are. Sorry for that" ... But what kind of childish discussion is that? That implies every one should remain as he is -- regardless! But that is not what you are here for. You are here to make sure people don't remain as they are. Apparently the way you are is fine but the way other people are is not fine, therefore, you are here to show them your way.]
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Wednesday, 09. February 2011 at 06:42
Hi ZC,

To resolve the dispute and move on with the debate I am proposing a three-point resolution. If we can agree on those, then we can move on to discuss other issues.
Here is the draft resolution:

1. The International Community of Zion (ICZ) believes in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
2. The statement that the ICZ and the LDS share the same beliefs and practices was a mistake.
3. The beliefs and practices of the IZC differ fundamentally from those of the LDS.

Okay, the first hurdle is out of the way. Tell me if you agree with the resolution so that we can start adressing your beliefs without bringing in LDS beliefs.
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Wednesday, 09. February 2011 at 13:38
OLA HERMANOS "int" Community of Zion.
Sorry only today i found this forum.
I read , read........and i can see that no one is say the true.
Just say that I'm member of THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF
LDS ( the one that you call UTAH , because is there the Headquaters).
So ,..............I belive in the Bible , in the Book of Mormon , D&C, and all
teachings from Joseph Smith Jr and all Presidents of the Church..
Did you said that you got the same practices(?)????????????
Let's recall: Are you not a small group tha start in Spain around one or
2 ex elders, that split from the Church , and call yourselfs ZION COMMUNITY?
And the reasons for the split?????????????? HOMBRE, HOMBRE......1. the ex elder
would like to get more position than the one that got at the time; 2. he would like
set up ZION in Spain against the orientations of the LDS ; 3 . as a community he
would like the practice of POLIGAMY ( ops! ops! ). So , if i'm not wrong had been
expeled from the Church.
Now you are looking to set up in Namibia. Why? Better business ? or the laws of the
land allow Poligamy?
Or something else, not put in this forum.
Or , yet , problems in the business that you own in Spain , Portugal and France?
Ops Ops Ops again. Sorry i said it.

Lenga:
For a person that is only a lay christian , you know lot's about my Church.
The D&C is not sold in every corner shop. How you now all chapters?
Or are you also ( I think so ) a ex ELDER of LDS?
Nothing wrong , mate.
Well as i'm here the WOLVES , "UIH UIH UIH UIH".
But I'm proud in my religion , and say, what i am. And you? What religion was yours until you
decided to reject the BOOK OF MORMON . Ops OPS OPS ( mormonism , too ?????? AH AH )

Cris
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Hi Chris,

You have just breathed new life in this dying thread. ZC has disappered for a while (no problem, may be busy somewhere!)

Cris: "Lenga: For a person that is only a lay christian , you know lot's about my Church.
The D&C is not sold in every corner shop. How you now all chapters?"

[The world has become a global village. Books are available at our finger tips.]

Cris: "Or are you also ( I think so ) a ex ELDER of LDS?"

[Fortunately, you are wrong!]

Cris: "Nothing wrong , mate.
Well as i'm here the WOLVES , "UIH UIH UIH UIH".

[Do you believe Jesus when He warned against false prophests who come in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ravenous wolves"? I hope you do!]

Cris: "But I'm proud in my religion , and say, what i am.
And you?"

[I am humble in my religion: "Before his downfall a man's heart is proud, but humility comes before honor" (Proverbs 18:12).]

Cris: "What religion was yours until you decided to reject the BOOK OF MORMON . Ops OPS OPS ( mormonism , too ?????? AH AH )"

[Ummmm ... I don't know which religion I belonged to before I was born (hahaha!!!), but after I was born I belonged to only one religion: CHRISTIAN!]
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Monday, 21. February 2011 at 13:37
Some reasons why I hate religions:

1. It oppresses human minds not to be independent thinkers and in some cases it oppressed people physically as well.
2. Religions discriminates, apparently some are lucky while others deserve be in hell, diseases etc.
3. It tells people to ask for wisdom but when they ask thorny questions then they are being blasphemers.
4. Religious people are most slut people on earth, with poor reasoning. You ask them, why, how, when, then they simply say “take it as it is”. “The lucky ones are those believing without seeing” Jesus said.
5. They believe in Bible, Koran etc which themselves can’t even comprehend. Religious books are stamped with barriers of words to prevent those who want to go further.
6. One who believes in such religions thinks that he or she is better than the others.
7. Religion is a slavery of mind and drug of oppression. Is a criminal hiding behind sweet words, is a robber to those who can’t think further. No wonder most religious people are from uneducated societies and they are really in "hell"
8. Religious people think that they are really free while indeed they are in slavery chains before their eyes.
9. So on this post most of you are just disproving one another craps but indeed everything is a crap.
10. No one will answer why someone is an Islamic, Christians, Buddha, etc they think is coz they made a right choice which is a bullshit! But simply they reach where they can't go further.

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