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A FACTS OF CHURCHS
DIRECTOR

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Friday, 10. December 2010 at 14:41
All chritians,i m greeting you in jesus name,i however want to ask,why do we have churchs and most of them doing nothing to the needy or orphans?

I have been watching emmanuel Tv, pastor TB Josua for some time,he said last sunday that,love your enemy becouse they mighty not share the same thing you do,(believing in jesus)

ok,what i want to share is or ask is:why do we have soo many churches and thise are asking members to give 10% of their income and where do the money goes?TB Josoa is doing per bible,helping kids who do nt have parents to pay their schools fees,,widows to have breads on table,this church were also in haiti to give foods and set up clinic to treat injury people,we have many church in namibia new and old,universal,catholic,evangel,you name them.

Universal church consederate on 10% of members to give to god as thise who do nt give we are stealling,me too,i only give N$ 120 per year,this what our church set up for us to pay.
Ok,for those who do nt understand what im talking about,watch TB Josua,he heal any disease in the name of the lord Jesus.

Do nt critises god s word,if you have nothing to buld our nation,just leave your comment with yourself.

AMEN
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Friday, 10. December 2010 at 16:44
"AMEN"!
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Friday, 10. December 2010 at 17:51
Ever heard of Mother Theresa of Calcutta? Did you know that the Catholic Church's nonprofit health-care system includes thousands of hospitals? (NB: I am not talking about the private hospital in windhoek).
Did you know the Catholic Church also runs home health-care agencies and thousands of other service providers, including assisted living, adult day care, and senior housing?
Did you know Catholic Charities consists of agencies that run soup kitchens, temporary shelters, child care, and refugee resettlement?
Did you know that the Catholic Church's extensive worldwide charity network was the biggest helper of the victims of the devastating earthquake in Haiti?
Did you know TB Josua is a false prophet and a fake faith healer? Did you know that you do not actually have any proof that TB Joshua can or did heal any disease in the name of the Lord Jesus? (all you have are unsubstantiated claims shown on TV).
Even he did, didn't you know that Satan can also perform miracles?
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Friday, 10. December 2010 at 18:03
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I was also doubting that Pastor, he said he heal AIDS even thought scientific test
will show that you are still HIV+, and most of Namibian friends believe his prophecy
and trust him so much. PITY
Re: A FACTS OF CHURCHS
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Friday, 10. December 2010 at 19:13
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do nt fix what is not broken,im talking about handing out free help, it seems like that you are catholic,i got,what if a say, 90% of catholic are charged with molestation?not now,i do nt want to hear about flase prophet of TB Josua,i do nt that and is a devil using one to say that,sorry.

Im talking about that the churches must give sherters to needy or foods,kitchen soups and aids they are running,i know that 2030,im talking about all churches,they are place of god and not running business,churches is a place of god,a temple.some church refuse to give people services if they are not paying the churches fees,soo is the truth.

Lenga,how do you conclude that tb josua is fake, ou tasheke ondjovo yomwene oye itakufilwapo omatimba aye,remember satan people can cure but not in the name of almighty,read your bible nawa yee.

Next time again
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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 06:56
Director, good morning dear!

You did exactly what I suspected ... accuse me of being Catholic. We will/can come to that later. For now let me refute what you said.

DIRECTOR: "what if a say, 90% of catholic are charged with molestation?"

[You can say that, but you can not prove what you say ... so, when you do that, you would be sinning publicly by bearing false witness. By the way, do you know that someone can be charged but not convicted?]

DIRECTOR: "not now,i do nt want to hear about flase prophet of TB Josua,i do nt that and is a devil using one to say that,sorry."

[That is amazing ... you don't want to hear a false prophet being called a false prophet, and you think anyone telling the truth about the false prophet is being used by the devil. That is precisely what the bible predicted -- 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, "the one whose coming springs from the power of Satan in every mighty deed and in signs and wonders that lie, and in every wicked deceit for those who are perishing because they have not accepted the love of truth so that they may be saved. Therefore, God is sending them a deceiving power so that they may believe the lie". I can see you believe the lie based on false signs and false wonders ...]

DIRECTOR: "Im talking about that the churches must give sherters to needy or foods,kitchen soups and aids they are running,i know that 2030,im talking about all churches,they are place of god and not running business,churches is a place of god,a temple."

[You talked about TB Joshua giving to the poor, helping needy children etc. I demonstrated the Catholic Church is doing more than in helping the poor worldwide. Those are facts you have to recognize regardless whether you are or not Catholic.]

DIRECTOR: "some church refuse to give people services if they are not paying the churches fees,soo is the truth."

[You are confusing to things here. Churches require membership fees and payment for services (to church members) like marriage, baptism, funeral etc. That a different ball game. But church charities give even to pagans, they don't ask which church you are, they just give the necessary help.]

DIRECTOR: Lenga,how do you conclude that tb josua is fake,

[I conclude that TB Joshua is fake because that is exactly what he is. Please don't ask questions if you can't stomach the response ...]

DIRECTOR: "ou tasheke ondjovo yomwene oye itakufilwapo omatimba aye, remember satan people can cure but not in the name of almighty,read your bible nawa yee."

[Read Matthew 24:24-26 ... those who deceive in the name of Satan do so using the name of Jesus. read you your Bible nawa nawa and go to Church -- not to the so-called "Temple of All Nations".]
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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 07:13
HAHAHAHAAA !

Black Revolutionary ... no, I am not a pastor, not even close to being one. I am just someone who knows that some people would pretend to be/to do something they are/can not. That includes MOST politicians and ALL of so-called faith healers. They are crooks, taking from the poor, the ignorant and the infirm. They drive luxurious cars while the prosterity they promise never materialize.
If any one comes to you claiming he or she was healed by TB Joshua do the following:
1. Demand to see his/her pre-healing health passport to see if a medical doctor described the illness as incurable;
2. Demand to see his/her post-healing health passport to see what the mediacal doctor had to say.
Good luck but from what I know, they will never cooperate with you, why? Because the so-called healing is fake. As simple as that.
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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 07:17
Oh, sorry!
You said "I was also doubting that pastor" ... I thought you said "I was also doubting that, pastor ..." I ignored the absence of a comma and fell into amiserable error.
Sorry again!
Re: A FACTS OF CHURCHS
Lenga2030

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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 07:46
DIRECTOR: "ou tasheke ondjovo yomwene oye itakufilwapo omatimba aye" (my poor translation: "the one who mocks God's word will not be forgiven hi/her sins".
But, Director, do you really think that TB Joshua is "God's word" or why did you say what you said above in your poor oshiKwanyama?
Re: A FACTS OF CHURCHS
DIRECTOR

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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 08:04
false profet lenga?

I fail to see your point of urgment,the verse you stated is not saying as you want me to get what you want me to believe,NO,read it from 1 till end,on Tb josua,i m talking on exprience,i know people who went there and came back problems sloved,harry simon was also there,i just him on tv,the bible warn people like you,seeing is believe.

Tb josua is always say:IN JESUS NAME.
im not saying you must believe him,No.

Where did you ever heard people said,this one is a true prophet?becouse of our dirty works we do nt want truths to be spoken.god send people to deliver the masseges to us.

On catholic molestation,lenga for you infos,this is worldwide,even there are those pastors jailed,even in namibia,
conviction and charged,please...they did it,sleeping with small kids?and they called themself pastor,men of god,give me break.benedict himself warned those pastor that they must leave this demon sprit.

For lenga everthing is just not right,from politics to every where..
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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 09:53
That is exactly the problem with fake healers and false prophets. Those who believe them simply declare they know someone who knows someone who was healed. No further evidence; no further proof required.
What you are telling me is that TB Joshua is a true prophet (compare Matthew 24:24) and that Jesus is with TB Joshua (see Matthew 24:26 ... just replace "desert" with "JB Joshua")

DIRECTOR: "false profet lenga?"

[Yes, and I repeat ... TB Joshua is a false prophet. You can ignore the evidence, but that won't change the fact that TB Joshua is a false prophet. And I can prove what I say ... on condition you are ready to listern.]

DIRECTOR: "I fail to see your point of urgment,"

[Someone failing to see my "point of argument" does not mean my argument does not exist.]

DIRECTOR: "the verse you stated is not saying as you want me to get what you want me to believe,"

[Who determines what a verse say and what a serve does not say? You? Are you a self-appointed interpreter of the Bible or who gave you that authority?]

DIRECTOR: "NO,read it from 1 till end,on Tb josua,i m talking on exprience,i know people who went there and came back problems sloved,harry simon was also there,i just him on tv,the bible warn people like you,seeing is believe."

[Seeing is believing? You are a disgrace. read Matthew 24:24 again ... "False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they WILL PERFORM signs and WONDERS so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect."
Did you hear that Director?]

DIRECTOR: "Tb josua is always say:IN JESUS NAME."


[Hahaha .... "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord" ... Director, it is time for you to buy a Bible and read it.]

DIRECTOR: "im not saying you must believe him,No."

[If he is worthy believing, a man of God, why don't you say I must believe him?]

DIRECTOR: "Where did you ever heard people said,this one is a true prophet?becouse of our dirty works we do nt want truths to be spoken.god send people to deliver the masseges to us."

[That is exactly the point. God send people to deliver the message BUT that message must not contradict the gospel once and for all delivered to the saints.]

DIRECTOR: "On catholic molestation,lenga for you infos,this is worldwide,even there are those pastors jailed,even in namibia, "

[And you are sure they are catholic pastors? And if out of 12 apostles one (almost 9%) was a demon, why do you find it strange that there are 4% suspected demons among hundreds of thounsands of Catholic priests?
And the problem is that the world (secular media) singles out the 4% and ignore the 96% who are not charged with any wrong doing. Non-catholic pastors are convicted and you see no screeming healines. You did not, for instance, see any screeming headlines when pastor Benny Hinn and pastor Paula White travelled to Italy earlier this year, and stayed in the same hotel under false names. Benny hinn admitted as much publicly.
The world (media) hate the Catholic church for a reason (John 15:18) and that is the media you depend on for you info, isn't it?]

DIRECTOR: "conviction and charged,please...they did it,sleeping with small kids?and they called themself pastor,men of god,give me break.benedict himself warned those pastor that they must leave this demon sprit.

[Read Matthew 13:24-30 ... and did you know TB Joshua was charged with taking another pastor's wife?]

DIRECTOR: "For lenga everthing is just not right,from politics to every where.."

[Don't worry, just interact with me long enough and your eyes may be opened.]
Re: A FACTS OF CHURCHS
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Saturday, 11. December 2010 at 12:46
lenga

now you went out of the topic,come back,false prothets,catholic molestations,benny Hin,mathew 24:24,it seems you are a prophet yourself,

how do you declare one as a fake or true prophet?carefully not to judge..tb josua took somebody s wife? Come on lenga state facts,why the man did go to police station and open a case abduction?you was there, right?as you do nt believe in hearing stories, i doubt you now,you do nt make any point here at all,leave to old member to contribute on the topic...

What are the churches give to needy as the churches are the place of those neglected,jesus came to those who need help and die for one sin,,lenga said:one need to pay to get a service,yes,true,but what if the poor person do nt have anything to pay,will you chase them away?
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 06:57
Director, good morning dear!

Hmmm, yes ... I followed you when you went outside the parameters of this topic. You go back inside and I will follow you there.

DIRECTOR: "now you went out of the topic,come back,false prothets,catholic molestations,benny Hin,mathew 24:24,it seems you are a prophet yourself,"

[No, I am not.]

DIRECTOR: "how do you declare one as a fake or true prophet?"

[By simply looking at the facts.]

DIRECTOR: "carefully not to judge.."

[First, telling the truth is not to judge; second, you yourself declared 90% Catholics molesters. So, you ignore your own advise not to judge.]

DIRECTOR: "tb josua took somebody s wife?"

[I said TB Joshua was accused of taking someone's wife. That is all I said.]

DIRECTOR: "Come on lenga state facts,why the man did go to police station and open a case abduction?"

[I don't know why the man didn't go to the police station (in case he didn't), but most of those who accuse the Catholic priests don't go to the police either. They simply sue the Church (not the molesters) to make some quick bucks.]

DIRECTOR: "you was there, right?"

[No, I was not there but neither did you go around the world to see the Catholic molesters for yourself.]

DIRECTOR: "as you do nt believe in hearing stories, i doubt you now,you do nt make any point here at all,leave to old member to contribute on the topic..."

[I will do that as soon as you stop spreading untruths.]

DIRECTOR: "What are the churches give to needy as the churches are the place of those neglected,"

[I told you what the Catholic Church is doing to the needy worldwide, yet you don't want to hear that.]

DIRECTOR: "jesus came to those who need help and die for one sin,"

[Exactly!]

DIRECTOR: "lenga said:one need to pay to get a service,yes,true,but what if the poor person do nt have anything to pay,will you chase them away?

[No!]
Re: A FACTS OF CHURCHS
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 08:14
Hi Director,

Up to now I have been mostly responding to what you said. Time to ask you just one question: After reading Matthew 7:15, Mathew 24:24-26, 1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 4:3-4 & 1John 4:1 tell me how you know for sure that TB Joshua is a true prophet.
NB: saying "because he says so" wouldn't be a valid answer.
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 09:33
good morning to you too lenga

im not going to say who is wrong or right now,no,truth hurt.
I read all those you gave and understood nawa and doubt you.i think you must re read them again.

Just intrepretate yourself the way you want them to,thanks.


[Post edited by: DIRECTOR on 12/12/10 9:43 AM]
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 10:01
Director,
I have to tell you that your last post sounds more like coming from a brainwashed somebody. Typically, when faced with irrefutable facts a brainwashed person simply closes his/her eyes ... and life goes on. That is what Paul describes as a "conscience seared with a hot iron" (1 Tim 4:2) and as a "strong delusion" (2 Thessalonians 2:11).
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 10:31
lenga

tell me is ben hin a fake prophet?and why? As my be have a valid reason this time,you said Tb josua is a fake one and till now you do nt me your point as why he is fake prophet,is it cos of You heard he accused of taking another s wife, Ben hin is divorced,jst infos.

Read this:mathew 7,21-23 and 9,1-8
mathew 11,1-6.
Jacob 4,11-12
2peiter 2,1-3
1john,4,1-5.this is it,read them carefully open your heart first.

amen
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 10:41
im now branwashed,nice,your true colour will out soon,,lol.i like that..
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 13:59
DIRECTOR: "lenga
tell me is ben hin a fake prophet?and why?"

[Did you not accuse me of going out of topic? Yes, he is a false prphet but, for now, let us concentrate on TB Joshua.]

DIRECTOR: "As my be have a valid reason this time,you said Tb josua is a fake one and till now you do nt me your point as why he is fake prophet,is it cos of You heard he accused of taking another s wife,"

[I can give you all the necessary evidence on one condition: give me a guarantee you are open-minded on the issue and ready to listen.
And no, my belief that TB Joshua is a false prophet has nothing to do with him taking another pastor's wife. That is incidental to the issue.]

DIRECTOR: "Ben hin is divorced,jst infos."

[I am aware of Hinn's divorce, but when photographed with Paula White in Rome, he was not divorced. I am 100% sure of that. And even if he was divorced, he is not married to Paula White. If that was not adultery then it was, at very least, a fornication. He knew he was doing something sinful. That is why he lied about the whole issue and booked a hotel room under a false name.]

DIRECTOR: "Read this:mathew 7,21-23 and 9,1-8"

[Matthew 7:21-23 says, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'
Director, like you said, TB Joshua prophesies in the name of Jesus, but according to Matthew that is not enough.
I have no clue why you brought up Matthew 9:1-8 because I am not denying that miracles can be (and are) done in Jesus' name; I am saying false prophets like TB Joshua can and do prophesy in Jesus' name too (see Matthew 7 above).

DIRECTOR: mathew 11,1-6.

[See my response above. I am not denying miraculous healings etc, I am specifically saying TB Joshua is a false prophet. That is all.]

DIRECTOR: "Jacob 4,11-12"

[I hope you mean James 4:11-12 ... but are you are sure you understand the text correctly? Do you think James 4:11-12 contradicts Matthew 7:15? If not, how can we beware of false teachers if identifying them is, according to you, tantamount to speaking evil of a brother? Are Catholics brothers too? Are you sure you never said anything negative about them?]

DIRECTOR: "2peiter 2,1-3"

[Hmmm, did you read the text? 2 Peter 2:1-3 says exactly what you deny: you defy the existence of false false prophets and false teachers.]

DIRECTOR: "1john,4,1-5.this is it,read them carefully open your heart first."

[The text says we must TEST every spirit, but you say "no" we should blindly believe TB Joshua's signs and wonders. That would be doing exactly what Matthew 24:24 warned us against.
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 16:14
Director,
Where did I say you are brainwashed? All I said is that you are behaving like a brainwashed somebody, closing your eyes and refusing to look at the evidence. That is how brainwashed people behave. They believe what they were made to believe ... regardless of the evidence to the contrary.
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 18:08
lenga

stated,why are saying he,tb josua is a fake prophet,state reasons,what did he do or doing to conclude on him?

My be we must change the topic or will make a U turn later.

1. We also have Meme Justina,a prophet, she said she is massager of god,did you hear about her,is she a fake prophet too?

2.who is the true prophet you know in namibia or on the globe at large?

Next week,as i come to namibia will reply again....dankie
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 20:14
Director,
I will respond to what you said but first, the following:
Those who do not know the full implication of what it means to be Christian are miracles-hungry. They see somebody who “can perform” miracles and they follow him. Such people are looking for the cheapest way out (yes, selling God at a discount) and so they tend to follow people like T.B Joshua, disregarding what Jesus said: “If you are following me because of miracles, then you are a wicked generation”.
One more thing, Christ did not make noise about miracles. When he performed miracles he asked people to be quiet about them. But what we see on TV is that T.B. Joshua makes a lot of noise about the “miracles” he performs ... Now, to your post …

DIRECTOR: "lenga
stated,why are saying he,tb josua is a fake prophet,state reasons,what did he do or doing to conclude on him?”

[Let us start by asking ourselves the following questions:
1.In the Old Testament we had prophets who foretold the coming of Christ. What is TB Joshua prophesying, the coming of a second Christ or what?
2. Who baptized TB Joshua, where and when?
3.If even Saul/Paul who met Jesus on his way to Damascus, still needed to be baptized and needed the laying-on of hands (Acts 9), why is it that there is no record neither of the baptism nor the laying-on of hands on TB Joshua?
4.Before T.B Joshua became a “prophet” he was living in a small building. He now owns a whole village. Do we have a Biblical precedent of a true prophet amassing wealth?
Dear Director, those are legitimate questions that need urgent answers.]

DIRECTOR: “1. We also have Meme Justina,a prophet, she said she is massager of god,did you hear about her,is she a fake prophet too?”

[Calling myself a millionaire does not make me one. Simply because a pitiable old lady calls herself God’s messenger does not automatically follow that she is one. Did you know that one of Justina’s superstition is never having some one sit on her right side?]

DIRECTOR: “2.who is the true prophet you know in namibia or on the globe at large?”

[Public revelation has ceased -- I hope you know that.
Prophesy has passed away -- I hope you know that too.
Everything we need to know about God has been fully revealed. If there are (public) prophets today then what they say is God-breathed, consequently, equal to Scriptures. That means we may soon have to add new books to the Bible. The Mormons and the Seventh-Day Adventists have started, placing the writings of Joseph Smith and Ellen White on par which Scriptures. The same can happen, a few years from now, with TB Joshua’s … yes, why not, if he is a "true prophet" like Elijah, Jeremiah and others?]
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Sunday, 12. December 2010 at 20:51
lenga,im done with you.thanks for false statement,the bible says otherwise,good bye,it seem you want to rewrite the bible.....lol
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Monday, 13. December 2010 at 01:39
LOL. trying to rewrite the bible. Lenga never finish arguing. i think he spend 80% of his time on the web misleading others
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Monday, 13. December 2010 at 06:54
HAHAHAHA .... Director is done with me!

1. He metions my "false statements" but fails to refute them;
2. He says the Bible "says otherwise" but fails to show where it says otherwise;
3. He says I am "want to rewhite the bible" but fails to tell where and when I made that attempt.
That is why I said Director is behaving more like a brainwashed somebody, who believes what he/she believes but is neither ready nor able to give an explanation to anyone who asks for reasons (see 1 Peter 3:15).
When contrary facts are placed before him/her he/she simply refuses to look at them, resorting to ridiculous statements instead (like, "I know you are wrong but I don't know why and how you are wrong").

Hey, BR how are you this morning?

No, no, I don't spend 80% of my time on the web "misleading others". By the way, what you subjectively call "misleading others", someone else may objectively describe as "educating others".
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